| |
alice wissing wrote:
Joseph,
Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with
the group?
absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite figured out how to
do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded this message to Gary
Felix with the question of how best I should share my DNA results with
a group of people.
I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and
trouble.
was it worth the money and trouble, well first it was no trouble at all
unless you consider a slight scratching (no blood) of the inside of
your cheek trouble. With regards to the money well I look at that this
way - somebody had to go first so why not me. Heck a thousand years
from now I plan on being a genealogical god. . .i figure someone will
be saying wow that Joseph Puentes sure was a visionary to have done all
that genealogy and his DNA testing to boot! Right now I have some
unique opportunities: To collect Oral History before it dies out AND to
collect DNA before I lose track of it. What do I mean by that?. . .well
for example on my mom's side I have one brother of her's alive (an
uncle) that is unwilling to give me a DNA sample. He had daughters not
sons (well I heard he has sons from a previous marriage) and after he
dies I will have lost that opportunity to trace the DNA of my mom's
fathers side. I have done my dad's side through my YDNA and my mom's
mom's mom's (etc.) side through my MtDNA. I know where I can get my
paternal grandmother's DNA collected and will be trying to gather that
sometime soon. . . .I guess what I'm getting at is that I intend on
forward tracing as many of the surnames in my family as possible before
I die so I can find folks alive today with that surname and "GROW" the
family that much more, BUT also be able to collect DNA from them. Its a
job that must be done and I would like to get as good a jump on it as I
can. I believe at sometime in the future there will be a curious soul
come along like me and continue the work. I think they will take my
work and advance it. Heck i might find that as I forward trace the
family I might find others that have greatly surpassed my work already.
Some folks don't realize that forward tracing might be the answer to
many a brick wall.
Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about their dark or
short relatives.
what are you talking about. . .didn't you read that story I sent called
"Muchacha" (attached: also a picture of a very dark and short Antonia
Santa Maria many years later). . .I am so proud of my Indian Heritage I
could just weep when I think of how that heritage was raped. I will
admit that I do very dearly love finding that next older generation and
would like to be able to trace all the way to Adam/Eve if it were
possible and when I find a dead end "Indio" branch I'm only
disappointed because I know the "paper trail" will soon end, BUT that
has nothing at all to do with a lack of pride of my browness. Heck here
in NC I could pass as white. One day at the lunch table I was chowing
down on some "Churches" chicken and one of the black ladies said "hey
Joseph white foks don't eat Churches chicken" I told her strait -
"White's alright, Black is beautiful, but if you're Brown stick around!
I'm not white." I think I taught a Post Office full of fellow workers
that they should not look on Mexicans as just "other" white folks.
The more I learn about Mexican history, the more I value
Indian characteristics and view them as attractive.
me too! I wish I could find more about them all the time. In fact just
this past weekend I found a real treasure in a used book store. . ."Los
Huicholes" by Ramon Mata Torres. I think Alicia Carrillo is right about
studying the "Caxcanes the Guachichiles and the Huicholes." That might
be as close as we get to learning about our indian roots (I'm sure
there were other Tribes as well during the different time periods) . .
.to study about those groups in a general sense. In the older Chihuahua
records I've seen where they ID Indios by the specific tribe but it
seems that in Jalisco they were content to just say Indio/India, I
would dearly like to find more specific info on which tribe I am.
The study of my family's genealogy has made me love and
respect all my relatives equally, regardless of whether they turned out
European, Indian, black, or Asian looking.
Amen. . .and the name makes no never mind as well. .. .its the blood
in our veins that counts and that blood crosses all barriers.
In fact, the variety in their appearance serves to remind me
just how mixed a race we are.
there are no pure breds out there. . .I'd love to see a DNA test
showing a straight up no mix person. . .not possible!
I hope there are others who feel the same way.
you said it right!
Alicia
ps: Sylvia, please do post your Los Altos Lamb recipe. . .give us the
history as far as where you think it might have come from. Seems that
someone in the family had to be the first to cook it. . .could have
been your parents or grandparents or even further back.
Sylvia,
welcome to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about
the deadline. If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email
me directly (makas@...) let me know you are
not ready and how much more time you'll need and you will
be "spared" the savageness of my axe swing. I'm trying to be reasonable
and give people extra time if needed. then again some never communicate
and won't submit and they of course will only feel my wrath come April
15th.
joseph
ps: about the virus thing you mentioned. . .one word: garlic; ajo. If
you have an interest in what i'm talking about I can share how it will
help you fight future bouts with the more typical virus' people
comfront.
pps: cool message from Egypt to Yucatan to Zacatecas. . ! .as long as
you tie it into Zacatecas I'd be interested in reading a little more
about this. I for one would like to trace my DNA indicated Irish,
Swedish, English, Jewish roots to my genealogical Mexican roots. Of
course those other roots probably happened mega thousands of years ago
and my genealogy is only back to about 1730 so far.
Sylvia Robles wrote:
I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM
Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting
one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained
ankle. This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended
from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I
have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books
from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas
side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family
owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets
throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. The Los Altos, side
which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather.
|
Attachment:
Muchacha7_24_2004.doc
Description: MS-Word document
|
| |
by Date 
-