Re: [ranchos] DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!

[Guillermo Valdez <valhdez@...>]

I honestly don't think anybody in this group is
searching for their mexican roots in the hopes of
finding out they only have "pure" european blood (if
anybody is, I'd feel sorry for them). 

What should make us proud is finding the mixture of
indian, white, etc., blood in us and to feel proud of
our traditions. We need to learn to appreciate the
struggles our ancestors have to pass through
(specially the indians) so we can be here sharing all
this in our group.

I am very proud of my mexican roots and that, to me,
means primarily indian blood. The european part of us
is inevitable, since our ancestors had to withstand
the white conquerors for some many centuries. But, I
proudly can say: Soy indio tambien! and a proud one as
well. And I intend to pass that on to my children,
since they will grow up in this great country and I
don't want them to forget where they come from and and
to lose their traditions.

Guillermo.
 
--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> alice wissing wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> >  
> > Would you be willing to share the results of your
> DNA test with the group?
> 
> absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite
> figured out how to 
> do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded
> this message to Gary 
> Felix with the question of how best I should share
> my DNA results with a 
> group of people.
> 
> > I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the
> money and trouble.
> 
> was it worth the money and trouble, well first it
> was no trouble at all 
> unless you consider a slight scratching (no blood)
> of the inside of your 
> cheek trouble. With regards to the money well I look
> at that this way - 
> somebody had to go first so why not me. Heck a
> thousand years from now I 
> plan on being a genealogical god. . .i figure
> someone will be saying wow 
> that Joseph Puentes sure was a visionary to have
> done all that genealogy 
> and his DNA testing to boot! Right now I have some
> unique opportunities: 
> To collect Oral History before it dies out AND to
> collect DNA before I 
> lose track of it. What do I mean by that?. . .well
> for example on my 
> mom's side I have one brother of her's alive (an
> uncle) that is 
> unwilling to give me a DNA sample. He had daughters
> not sons (well I 
> heard he has sons from a previous marriage) and
> after he dies I will 
> have lost that opportunity to trace the DNA of my
> mom's fathers side. I 
> have done my dad's side through my YDNA and my mom's
> mom's mom's (etc.) 
> side through my MtDNA. I know where I can get my
> paternal grandmother's 
> DNA collected and will be trying to gather that
> sometime soon. . . .I 
> guess what I'm getting at is that I intend on
> forward tracing as many of 
> the surnames in my family as possible before I die
> so I can find folks 
> alive today with that surname and "GROW" the family
> that much more, BUT 
> also be able to collect DNA from them. Its a job
> that must be done and I 
> would like to get as good a jump on it as I can. I
> believe at sometime 
> in the future there will be a curious soul come
> along like me and 
> continue the work. I think they will take my work
> and advance it. Heck i 
> might find that as I forward trace the family I
> might find others that 
> have greatly surpassed my work already. Some folks
> don't realize that 
> forward tracing might be the answer to many a brick
> wall.
> 
> >  
> > Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about
> their dark or short 
> > relatives.
> 
> what are you talking about. . .didn't you read that
> story I sent called 
> "Muchacha" (attached: also a picture of a very dark
> and short Antonia 
> Santa Maria many years later). . .I am so proud of
> my Indian Heritage I 
> could just weep when I think of how that heritage
> was raped. I will 
> admit that I do very dearly love finding that next
> older generation and 
> would like to be able to trace all the way to
> Adam/Eve if it were 
> possible and when I find a dead end "Indio" branch
> I'm only disappointed 
> because I know the "paper trail" will soon end, BUT
> that has nothing at 
> all to do with a lack of pride of my browness. Heck
> here in NC I could 
> pass as white. One day at the lunch table I was
> chowing down on some 
> "Churches" chicken and one of the black ladies said
> "hey Joseph white 
> foks don't eat Churches chicken" I told her strait -
> "White's alright, 
> Black is beautiful, but if you're Brown stick
> around! I'm not white." I 
> think I taught a Post Office full of fellow workers
> that they should not 
> look on Mexicans as just "other" white folks.
> 
> >   The more I learn about Mexican history, the more
> I value Indian 
> > characteristics and view them as attractive.
> 
> me too! I wish I could find more about them all the
> time. In fact just 
> this past weekend I found a real treasure in a used
> book store. . ."Los 
> Huicholes" by Ramon Mata Torres. I think Alicia
> Carrillo is right about 
> studying the "Caxcanes the Guachichiles and the
> Huicholes." That might 
> be as close as we get to learning about our indian
> roots (I'm sure there 
> were other Tribes as well during the different time
> periods) . . .to 
> study about those groups in a general sense. In the
> older Chihuahua 
> records I've seen where they ID Indios by the
> specific tribe but it 
> seems that in Jalisco they were content to just say
> Indio/India, I would 
> dearly like to find more specific info on which
> tribe I am.
> 
> >   The study of my family's genealogy has made me
> love and respect all 
> > my relatives equally, regardless of whether they
> turned out European, 
> > Indian, black, or Asian looking.
> 
> Amen. . .and the name makes no never mind as well. 
> .. .its the blood in 
> our veins that counts and that blood crosses all
> barriers.
> 
> >   In fact, the variety in their appearance serves
> to remind me just 
> > how mixed a race we are.
> 
> there are no pure breds out there. . .I'd love to
> see a DNA test showing 
> a straight up no mix person. . .not possible!
> 
> >  
> > I hope there are others who feel the same way.
> 
> you said it right!
> 
> >  
> > Alicia
> 
> ps: Sylvia, please do post your Los Altos Lamb
> recipe. . .give us the 
> history as far as where you think it might have come
> from. Seems that 
> someone in the family had to be the first to cook
> it. . .could have been 
> your parents or grandparents or even further back.
> 
> >
> >
> > Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
> >
> >     Sylvia,
> >
> >     welcome to the group. . .look don't let me
> bother you too much
> >     about the deadline. If April 15 approaches and
> you are not ready
> >     just email me directly (makas@...) let
> me know you are not
> >     ready and how much more time you'll need and
> you will be "spared"
> >     the savageness of my axe swing. I'm trying to
> be reasonable and
> >     give people extra time if needed. then again
> some never
> >     communicate and won't submit and they of
> course will only feel my
> >     wrath come April 15th.
> >
> >     joseph
> >
> >     ps: about the virus thing you mentioned. .
> .one word: garlic; ajo.
> >     If you have an interest in what i'm talking
> about I can share how
> >     it will help you fight future bouts with the
> more typical virus'
> >     people comfront.
> >
> >     pps: cool message from Egypt to Yucatan to
> Zacatecas. 
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