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Wow, what a great
story. I bet the same happened to many of our grandparents that came
from Mexico during those hard times. They suffered great hardships and
give up many sacrifices so that we could led a better life.
Regards.
Alberto.
alice wissing wrote:
Joseph,
Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with the
group? absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite
figured out how to do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded this
message to Gary Felix with the question of how best I should share my DNA
results with a group of people.
I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and
trouble. was it worth the money and trouble, well first it
was no trouble at all unless you consider a slight scratching (no blood) of
the inside of your cheek trouble. With regards to the money well I look at
that this way - somebody had to go first so why not me. Heck a thousand years
from now I plan on being a genealogical god. . .i figure someone will be
saying wow that Joseph Puentes sure was a visionary to have done all that
genealogy and his DNA testing to boot! Right now I have some unique
opportunities: To collect Oral History before it dies out AND to collect DNA
before I lose track of it. What do I mean by that?. . .well for example on my
mom's side I have one brother of her's alive (an uncle) that is unwilling to
give me a DNA sample. He had daughters not sons (well I heard he has sons from
a previous marriage) and after he dies I will have lost that opportunity to
trace the DNA of my mom's fathers side. I have done my dad's side through my
YDNA and my mom's mom's mom's (etc.) side through my MtDNA. I know where I can
get my paternal grandmother's DNA collected and will be trying to gather that
sometime soon. . . .I guess what I'm getting at is that I intend on forward
tracing as many of the surnames in my family as possible before I die so I can
find folks alive today with that surname and "GROW" the family that much more,
BUT also be able to collect DNA from them. Its a job that must be done and I
would like to get as good a jump on it as I can. I believe at sometime in the
future there will be a curious soul come along like me and continue the work.
I think they will take my work and advance it. Heck i might find that as I
forward trace the family I might find others that have greatly surpassed my
work already. Some folks don't realize that forward tracing might be the
answer to many a brick wall.
Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about their dark or short
relatives. what are you talking about. . .didn't you read
that story I sent called "Muchacha" (attached: also a picture of a very dark
and short Antonia Santa Maria many years later). . .I am so proud of my Indian
Heritage I could just weep when I think of how that heritage was raped. I will
admit that I do very dearly love finding that next older generation and would
like to be able to trace all the way to Adam/Eve if it were possible and when
I find a dead end "Indio" branch I'm only disappointed because I know the
"paper trail" will soon end, BUT that has nothing at all to do with a lack of
pride of my browness. Heck here in NC I could pass as white. One day at the
lunch table I was chowing down on some "Churches" chicken and one of the black
ladies said "hey Joseph white foks don't eat Churches chicken" I told her
strait - "White's alright, Black is beautiful, but if you're Brown stick
around! I'm not white." I think I taught a Post Office full of fellow workers
that they should not look on Mexicans as just "other" white folks.
The more I learn about Mexican history, the more I value
Indian characteristics and view them as attractive. me too!
I wish I could find more about them all the time. In fact just this past
weekend I found a real treasure in a used book store. . ."Los Huicholes" by
Ramon Mata Torres. I think Alicia Carrillo is right about studying the
"Caxcanes the Guachichiles and the Huicholes." That might be as close as we
get to learning about our indian roots (I'm sure there were other Tribes as
well during the different time periods) . . .to study about those groups in a
general sense. In the older Chihuahua records I've seen where they ID Indios
by the specific tribe but it seems that in Jalisco they were content to just
say Indio/India, I would dearly like to find more specific info on which tribe
I am.
The study of my family's genealogy has made me love and respect
all my relatives equally, regardless of whether they turned out European,
Indian, black, or Asian looking. Amen. . .and the name
makes no never mind as well. .. .its the blood in our veins that counts
and that blood crosses all barriers.
In fact, the variety in their appearance serves to remind me
just how mixed a race we are.
there are no pure breds
out there. . .I'd love to see a DNA test showing a straight up no mix person.
. .not possible!
I hope there are others who feel the same way. you said
it right!
Alicia ps: Sylvia, please do post your Los Altos Lamb
recipe. . .give us the history as far as where you think it might have come
from. Seems that someone in the family had to be the first to cook it. .
.could have been your parents or grandparents or even further back.
Sylvia,
welcome
to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about the deadline.
If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email me directly (makas@...) let me know you are not
ready and how much more time you'll need and you
will be "spared" the savageness of my
axe swing. I'm trying to be reasonable and give people extra time if
needed. then again some never communicate and won't submit and they of
course will only feel my wrath come April 15th.
joseph
ps:
about the virus thing you mentioned. . .one word: garlic; ajo. If you have
an interest in what i'm talking about I can share how it will help you
fight future bouts with the more typical virus' people comfront.
pps: cool message from Egypt to Yucatan to Zacatecas. . ! .as long
as you tie it into Zacatecas I'd be interested in reading a little more
about this. I for one would like to trace my DNA indicated Irish, Swedish,
English, Jewish roots to my genealogical Mexican roots. Of course those
other roots probably happened mega thousands of years ago and my genealogy
is only back to about 1730 so far.
Sylvia Robles wrote:
I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM
Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting
one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained
ankle. This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended
from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I
have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books
from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas
side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family
owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets
throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. The Los Altos, side
which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather.
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