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Emilie; As soon as I can do a scan I will happily do
as you have suggested. Thank you for your interest.
Jose Luis Macias
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's
request for copies
Yes, Jose Luis,
Please do send a scan through Ranchos so that we can all see what you are
talking about. Even though Argentina is not in the area of the group, it
will be helpful to all of us to see what you are dealing with, especially
since we all view films with varying scripts and spelling of names. I
have found that some of the names I deal with have been spelled with "B"
instead of "V" or "Y" instead of "LL", etc. Priests long ago, say in the
1700's used script that is different in some letters or they tended to use the
Latin Joseph and Carmel instead of Jose and Carmen.
I have been looking up the ethnic history of Argentina, and I find that
Italians and Germans started immigrating around 1850 as well people from other
parts of Northern and Southern Europe. I think the reason so many
Italians and Germans moved there after WWII was that there were large
communities of Italians, Germans, Syrians, Jews, etc already there. They
say that 49% of the population now is of Italian descent. When my
husband and I were vacationing in Italy we ran into some Argentinians of
Italian descent, and we had to translate for them to their relatives living
there in Italy, since we spoke Spanish and Spanish is the only language most
of them know. When I worked at a large hospital in Silicon Valley, I had
to translate for some blue-eyed people from Argentina surnamed Schmidt who
could only speak Spanish.
I also found that there were 500 Indian tribes or more, as well as
Basques, and even some Welsh from Patagonia. Those languages are unlike
any others and have unusual combinations of letters, so maybe that is what you
have been seeing.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
zendean
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:54
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's
request for copies
Emilie; you asked if you could have copies of the
names I am working on. Well, they are on a film and I will have to go to a
machine that will do a copy. I think I can do a scan to you. I hope they
come out OK because If I could discern the letters of the names,
I would just write them as spelled. But, it is that I have never seen names
like these before and am not sure that I am reading the script correctly.
Some are very faint and so I am not sure what I am reading.
Yes, Emilie, I will send you a copy as soon as I can
get into the Family History Center machine that does that. I can believe how
nice it was of you to want to see what I am working with. There are some
really nice people here, like you.
Is the "Ranchos" site where you want the copies
sent ? I will happily send them as soon as I can. I will use the same
Subject for the copies so you will know that it is in reference to a request
by you. These are names that I am positive on the spelling, have you ever
run across a name like Petocisno or Medarda or Quirino or
Murayes or Teococia Teo or
Surney or Puac or Neri ? Do they look like
names that you are familiar with ? I bolded the last names. I will do
as you ask so you can see and thank you for your interest
I hope to hear from you after I forward the copies, be
patient.
Fellow researcher,
Jose Luis Macias
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:49
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's
coment Re: Argentine names
Jose Luis,
Would it be possible for you to send us a copy of that entry you just
mentioned? I am curious to see what those entries look like.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From:
zendean
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:04
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's
coment Re: Argentine names
Alberto;
Many thanks for the comments on
Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a
church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900. It was cleaver of you
to catch that. But both comments are of value to me because now I
am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian
names starting in 1945 and later.
The names I am running accross are
so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing
genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this
kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was
hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico soon
because I think that will be my next assignment. For now I am trying to
figure out a name that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano"
Altibucian, I think.
Thank you again.
Jose Luis
Macias
-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte
<albertodua@...>
Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Argentine
names
Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals.
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world
war. If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not
see the many German and
Italian names you see
now.
Alberto
--- readysetgo95814
<nena@...> wrote:
> Jose Luis,
>
> I know that there has been a significant number of
>
Italian and
> German Immigrants in Argentina. Perhaps
that's why
> the names seem
> so different from those found
in other Latin
> American countries.
> Maybe you could try
looking for Italian and German
> phone books on
> the
Internet? The names could've also been changed
> by the
priest to
> sound more Spanish Like the name Lomelin
was
> changed from the
> original Italian surname of
Lomellini in Mexico.
> Just a thought.
>
>
Maria
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroupscom, "zendean"
>
<usa20@e...> wrote:
> > Joseph,
>
> Thank you for the kind words about the work
I
> do on
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I
hope
> that you could
> help with. When I
am doing the names on the
> records I often find
> strange
names and spellings. I had a baby name book
> for naming kids
> and I wonder if there exists such a book for Latino
>
kids. I thought
> that a phone book would help so I got one for
a
> local city that has
> a lot of Hispanic families. There
seems to be a
> limited number of
> first names and
surnames. I need a better source.
> For example, I
> found
a name that looked like "Eulalio Chuc" . I
> have never seen the
> surname "Chuc" or "Toco" or "Andurate" Moratalla. I
> am
doing a
> church in Argentina and I guess the names are
>
different or I am not
> that familiar with "Oligalla Zulipata".
See, I am
> not sure if such
> names exist or if I am not
reading them right. If I
> knew or had seen
> names like
that, then I would recognize them like "
> Jose", "Juan"
>
or "Julio". You are a helpful person
and if
> you can't think of
> a source for me on this, that
is Ok because I am no
> worse off than
> before.
>
>
> > Your friend in Family Search,
> >
>
> Jose Luis Macias
> > "Zendean"
> >
----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph
Puentes
> > To: Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com ;
LosRanchos
> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:06
PM
> > Subject: [ranchos] [Fwd: Somos Primos May
2005
> lq]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message -------- Subject:
> Somos Primos May
> 2005 lq
>
> Date: Mon, 02
May 2005 17:25:40 -0400
> (EDT)
>
> From:
MIMILOZANO@a...
>
> To:
MIMILOZANO@a...
> >
> >
> >
Somos Primos May 2005
> >
>
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2005/spmay05/spmay05.htm
>
>
> >
> > Hi . . Hope all
are enjoying the many Cinco de
> Mayo and other
> patriotic
events being hosted all over nation.
> >
>
> May 12th is the first of the 2005 Hispanic
>
American events being
> held at the National Archives.
(US). The National
> Archives needs
> to know that we
care about our history. Our history
> is embedded in
> the
National Archives, but the rich abundance of
> materials that
> reveal our presence has not been fully gathered and
>
indexed.
> >
> > The SHHAR
quarterly meeting on May 21st will be
> a presentation
> by
UCLA Pprofessor, Dr. Guillermo Hernadez. His
> topic, the
> historical Corridos of Mexico, folk ballads of the
>
people.
> >
> > DECIDED TO INCLUDE
ALL THE TITLES WITHIN EACH
> FILE . .
> >
>
> UNITED STATES
> > Hispanics have a
problem. .
> > National Archives, May 12th,
"Hispanics,
> Education and Civil
> Rights."
>
> All Gave Some, Some Gave All
> >
Passing of a Generation
> > Sheriff Joe Arpaio,
America's Toughest Sheriff
> > 25th Annual Lorian
Hemingway Short Story
> Competition
> > 74th
Annual WD Writing Competition
> > Workshop
to make writers of warriors
> > "Uncover the
Mind"
> > Lalo Guerrero, 'father of Chicano music
>
dies
>
>
> We Need You to Save Our Heritage
>
> Census Bureau News Facts, Special Edition:
Cinco
> de Mayo
> > Hub race woes
>
serious
>
>
> > The Values We Live By
> >
Current Newsworthy Tidbits: LATINO LOOP
> >
Texans seek compensation from Mexico for 12
> million acres lost
> > Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering
Social
> Security With Billions
> > Bill
mandates diverse faculty
> > "Finding Cousin
Tony"
> > To be Bilingual, a strong asset in
the new
> millennium
> > Study Showing
Economic Benefits of Preschool for
> all children
>
> New Development in Mestizo Psychology: Theory,
>
Research,
> Application
> > The Case of a
Lifetime
> >
> > SURNAME: ESTRADA
>
>
> > GALVEZ PATRIOTS
> >
Gabriel Garcia Productions
> > The Relations
Between Spain and the United
> States
> >
>
> ORANGE COUNTY, CA
> > May
21st: SHHAR Quarterly meeting:
> >
Corridos . . Unofficial Mexican history . .
> .Free, entertaining,
> fun
> > Press release. . . please share .
. . come and
> enjoy
> > Los Angeles Times
article by Agustin Gurza
> > Corridos sin
Fronteras: A New World Ballad
> Tradition, San Diego
>
exhibit
> > Cinco de Mayo Celebration at The Bowers
Museum
> of Cultural Art
> >
> >
LOS ANGELES, CA
> > Steve Santillan art exhibit,
City of Burbank
> Creative Arts
> Center Gallery
>
> Danzantes Unidos Festival, "Siguiendo La
>
Tradicion"
> > Cinco De Mayo Fiesta
>
> Farias-Talamantes Reunion dinner, May 25th,
2005
>
> > Carriage Museum, Santa
Barbara
> > Los Angeles Times
>
> Los Angeles Orphan Asylum and School
> >
> > CALIFORNIA
> > The
Sculptures of José Escobedo
> > Strengthening
Latino Advocacy in the Bay Area on
> May 20, 2005
>
> Admission of Latinos Rises at UC
>
> Spanish~Mexican Families of California, Volume
>
III
> > ESTRADA FAMILIES IN CALIFORNIA
>
> The Land Problem
>
> Extract from: California
a History, by
> Andrew F. Rolle, 1963
>
> The RANCHOS: Once
belonging to the Families
> "Estrada"
> >
Descendents of Solano County's Pioneer Families
> >
Old Mission San Juan Bautista
> >
> >
NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
> > BYU Computer
Genealogy Conference
>
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