Yes, Jose Luis, Please do send a scan through Ranchos so that we can all see what you are talking about. Even though Argentina is not in the area of the group, it will be helpful to all of us to see what you are dealing with, especially since we all view films with varying scripts and spelling of names. I have found that some of the names I deal with have been spelled with "B" instead of "V" or "Y" instead of "LL", etc. Priests long ago, say in the 1700's used script that is different in some letters or they tended to use the Latin Joseph and Carmel instead of Jose and Carmen. I have been looking up the ethnic history of Argentina, and I find that Italians and Germans started immigrating around 1850 as well people from other parts of Northern and Southern Europe. I think the reason so many Italians and Germans moved there after WWII was that there were large communities of Italians, Germans, Syrians, Jews, etc already there. They say that 49% of the population now is of Italian descent. When my husband and I were vacationing in Italy we ran into some Argentinians of Italian descent, and we had to translate for them to their relatives living there in Italy, since we spoke Spanish and Spanish is the only language most of them know. When I worked at a large hospital in Silicon Valley, I had to translate for some blue-eyed people from Argentina surnamed Schmidt who could only speak Spanish. I also found that there were 500 Indian tribes or more, as well as Basques, and even some Welsh from Patagonia. Those languages are unlike any others and have unusual combinations of letters, so maybe that is what you have been seeing. Emilie Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message ----- From: zendean Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:54 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Emilie's request for copies Emilie; you asked if you could have copies of the names I am working on. Well, they are on a film and I will have to go to a machine that will do a copy. I think I can do a scan to you. I hope they come out OK because If I could discern the letters of the names, I would just write them as spelled. But, it is that I have never seen names like these before and am not sure that I am reading the script correctly. Some are very faint and so I am not sure what I am reading. Yes, Emilie, I will send you a copy as soon as I can get into the Family History Center machine that does that. I can believe how nice it was of you to want to see what I am working with. There are some really nice people here, like you. Is the "Ranchos" site where you want the copies sent ? I will happily send them as soon as I can. I will use the same Subject for the copies so you will know that it is in reference to a request by you. These are names that I am positive on the spelling, have you ever run across a name like Petocisno or Medarda or Quirino or Murayes or Teococia Teo or Surney or Puac or Neri ? Do they look like names that you are familiar with ? I bolded the last names. I will do as you ask so you can see and thank you for your interest I hope to hear from you after I forward the copies, be patient. Fellow researcher, Jose Luis Macias ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names
Jose Luis, Would it be possible for you to send us a copy of that entry you just mentioned? I am curious to see what those entries look like. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: zendean Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [ranchos] Re: Alberto's coment Re: Argentine names
Alberto;
Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900. It was cleaver of you to catch that. But both comments are of value to me because now I am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian names starting in 1945 and later.
The names I am running accross are so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico soon because I think that will be my next assignment. For now I am trying to figure out a name that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano" Altibucian, I think.
Thank you again.
Jose Luis Macias
-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>
Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Argentine names
Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals.
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world war. If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not see the many German and
Italian names you see now.
Alberto
--- readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:
> Jose Luis,
>
> I know that there has been a significant number of
> Italian and
> German Immigrants in Argentina. Perhaps that's why
> the names seem
> so different from those found in other Latin
> American countries.
> Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> phone books on
> the Internet? The names could've also been changed
> by the priest to
> sound more Spanish Like the name Lomelin was
> changed from the
> original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico.
> Just a thought.
>
> Maria
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroupscom, "zendean"
> <usa20@e...> wrote:
> > Joseph,
> > Thank you for the kind words about the work I
> do on
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope
> that you could
> help with. When I am doing the names on the
> records I often find
> strange names and spellings. I had a baby name book
> for naming kids
> and I wonder if there exists such a book for Latino
> kids. I thought
> that a phone book would help so I got one for a
> local city that has
> a lot of Hispanic families. There seems to be a
> limited number of
> first names and surnames. I need a better source.
> For example, I
> found a name that looked like "Eulalio Chuc" . I
> have never seen the
> surname "Chuc" or "Toco" or "Andurate" Moratalla. I
> am doing a
> church in Argentina and I guess the names are
> different or I am not
> that familiar with "Oligalla Zulipata". See, I am
> not sure if such
> names exist or if I am not reading them right. If I
> knew or had seen
> names like that, then I would recognize them like "
> Jose", "Juan"
> or "Julio". You are a helpful person and if
> you can't think of
> a source for me on this, that is Ok because I am no
> worse off than
> before.
> >
> > Your friend in Family Search,
> >
> > Jose Luis Macias
> > "Zendean"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joseph Puentes
> > To: Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com ; LosRanchos
> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:06 PM
> > Subject: [ranchos] [Fwd: Somos Primos May 2005
> lq]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message -------- Subject:
> Somos Primos May
> 2005 lq
> > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 17:25:40 -0400
> (EDT)
> > From: MIMILOZANO@a...
> > To: MIMILOZANO@a...
> >
> >
> > Somos Primos May 2005
> >
>
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2005/spmay05/spmay05.htm
> >
> >
> > Hi . . Hope all are enjoying the many Cinco de
> Mayo and other
> patriotic events being hosted all over nation.
> >
> > May 12th is the first of the 2005 Hispanic
> American events being
> held at the National Archives. (US). The National
> Archives needs
> to know that we care about our history. Our history
> is embedded in
> the National Archives, but the rich abundance of
> materials that
> reveal our presence has not been fully gathered and
> indexed.
> >
> > The SHHAR quarterly meeting on May 21st will be
> a presentation
> by UCLA Pprofessor, Dr. Guillermo Hernadez. His
> topic, the
> historical Corridos of Mexico, folk ballads of the
> people.
> >
> > DECIDED TO INCLUDE ALL THE TITLES WITHIN EACH
> FILE . .
> >
> > UNITED STATES
> > Hispanics have a problem. .
> > National Archives, May 12th, "Hispanics,
> Education and Civil
> Rights."
> > All Gave Some, Some Gave All
> > Passing of a Generation
> > Sheriff Joe Arpaio, America's Toughest Sheriff
> > 25th Annual Lorian Hemingway Short Story
> Competition
> > 74th Annual WD Writing Competition
> > Workshop to make writers of warriors
> > "Uncover the Mind"
> > Lalo Guerrero, 'father of Chicano music
> dies
>
> > We Need You to Save Our Heritage
> > Census Bureau News Facts, Special Edition: Cinco
> de Mayo
> > Hub race woes
> serious
>
>
> > The Values We Live By
> > Current Newsworthy Tidbits: LATINO LOOP
> > Texans seek compensation from Mexico for 12
> million acres lost
> > Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social
> Security With Billions
> > Bill mandates diverse faculty
> > "Finding Cousin Tony"
> > To be Bilingual, a strong asset in the new
> millennium
> > Study Showing Economic Benefits of Preschool for
> all children
> > New Development in Mestizo Psychology: Theory,
> Research,
> Application
> > The Case of a Lifetime
> >
> > SURNAME: ESTRADA
> >
> > GALVEZ PATRIOTS
> > Gabriel Garcia Productions
> > The Relations Between Spain and the United
> States
> >
> > ORANGE COUNTY, CA
> > May 21st: SHHAR Quarterly meeting:
> > Corridos . . Unofficial Mexican history . .
> .Free, entertaining,
> fun
> > Press release. . . please share . . . come and
> enjoy
> > Los Angeles Times article by Agustin Gurza
> > Corridos sin Fronteras: A New World Ballad
> Tradition, San Diego
> exhibit
> > Cinco de Mayo Celebration at The Bowers Museum
> of Cultural Art
> >
> > LOS ANGELES, CA
> > Steve Santillan art exhibit, City of Burbank
> Creative Arts
> Center Gallery
> > Danzantes Unidos Festival, "Siguiendo La
> Tradicion"
> > Cinco De Mayo Fiesta
> > Farias-Talamantes Reunion dinner, May 25th, 2005
>
> > Carriage Museum, Santa Barbara
> > Los Angeles Times
> > Los Angeles Orphan Asylum and School
> >
> > CALIFORNIA
> > The Sculptures of José Escobedo
> > Strengthening Latino Advocacy in the Bay Area on
> May 20, 2005
> > Admission of Latinos Rises at UC
> > Spanish~Mexican Families of California, Volume
> III
> > ESTRADA FAMILIES IN CALIFORNIA
> > The Land Problem
> > Extract from: California a History, by
> Andrew F. Rolle, 1963
> > The RANCHOS: Once belonging to the Families
> "Estrada"
> > Descendents of Solano County's Pioneer Families
> > Old Mission San Juan Bautista
> >
> > NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
> > BYU Computer Genealogy Conference
>
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