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thanks Arturo for this information. It will be very interesting what
youfind out when you make your trip to these areas later. thanks again
for your work for the Ranchos group.
joseph
Arturo Ramos wrote:
Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the
actual parish records of the San Luis parish.
However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives
that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal
records from the mid and late 1600s. They may go back further than
that.
I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very
pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for
indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical
communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec
section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc.
I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the
modern times.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
Arturo Ramos wrote:
There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan
Convent
set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan
church. These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the
foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC
films)... These are the ones I really want to look at.
just want to clarify. . .are you saying that the 1591-1720 records
are
on microfilm? or just from 1720 forward? I have seen the 1720
forward
record listing but not the other. I hope the 1591-1720 are
available. . .
hoping in NC,
joseph
I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to
obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more
reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have
heard
that documents created since the time civil registry was
instituted
in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records
because
of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were
written
with much more durable inks on much more durable paper.
We will see. I am looking at writing to the parish head before I
head down and perhaps getting a local historian to vouch for me.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
wrote:
Erlinda and Arturo,
I too found that they will not let you see the actual records.
When
I went to Nochistlan Zac they were quite advanced for a small
town
in Mexico. They all had computers at the front office of the
Registro
Civil. The records that they did have they printed out certified
documents for us based on what they had in the data base. I was
able
to come away with 6 certified documents but they don't let you
access
their books. When I asked for documents for my parents of 1925
they
said they don't have any books for 1925 they were all destroyed or
lost.
In Tlachichila the smaller town they have the books but they
still
won't let you see the books and there again they did not have
records
for 1925. I need to talk to the town historian or read a little
history to see what happened in the year 1925.
I too have had better luck at my local FHC as well as at Salt
Lake
FHC. It's still good to visit your ancestor's town but don't
expect
to see much in terms of records or archives.
Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@y...> wrote:
Arturo, When I was in El Limon Jalisco in 2003 we went to the
parish
office and talked with the girl in the office who told us we
could
not look at the actual books even though they were on the shelf
behind her. The priest walked in and asked what family we were
looking for? My cousin's husband was trying to find his Santana
ancestors who turned out to be part of the priests family. He
asked
what year and took out a book wrapped in plastic because it was
frail. We opened it and the pages started turning to dust and
blowing away. Needless to say we closed it immediately and
thanked
him for allowing us to try. It's very dry there and no special
precautions were taken to preserve the books.
We went to Tamazula de Gordiano Jalisco next and they were so
busy
that they gave very poor service telling us they tried but
couldn't
find the records. They had no copy machine so would have to do a
form letter for whatever information was found, came home and
found
the records at the local FHC..
In Jerez Zacatecas they didn't have a copy machine either but
were
willing to talk to my cousin who's Spanish was much better than
mine. I found it was much easier to get the records at the FHC.
I
didn't try to find land records or any other type of records
though,
that was beyond my abilities to read records. Our time was
limited
so I had to chose what to try to accomplish so I decided to enjoy
the land and the people.
I hope you have better luck than I did.
Linda in Everett
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"
<arturo.ramos2@v...>
wrote:
I will be spending about three weeks this December and January
in
Jalisco and Zacatecas and am hoping to make it to the parrishes
in
Colotlan and Tlaltenango, perhaps Atolinga as well as the
archives
in
Guadalajara...
Question... has anyone ever asked to see the actual books held
at
the
parrishes? I am thinking of asking to photograph some of them,
but
don't know how well that would go over.
Any tips would be appreciated. I am also going to try to do an
interview with Esteban Valdes Salazar who has published some
very
good
genealogy and history books on Totatiche. He is the
local "cronista"
and has obviously spent lots of time pouring over old archival
documents, including the transcription of the 1591 census of
Tlaxcaltec
migrants to Colotlan and the entire 1770 Totatiche census (over
3000
names). So if there are any questions anyone would like to ask,
please
let me know.
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