Re: Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

["Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>]

P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that 
Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you all look up that as 
it is too hard to explain here but needless to say a person "of 
color".

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all 
researching, 
> Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico.  He 
> encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish 
> (Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
> the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations 
> with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.
> 
> He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown.  I am 
> now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that 
so 
> many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente 
> Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to 
> mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was 
> Zapotec.  I think that as much prejudice as there was back then, 
the 
> demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases 
> made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working 
> person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well 
> for themselves.  Statistically probaly not as well as they might 
have 
> done now a days but definitely better than people of color were 
doing 
> in the United States at the same time... Benito Juarez was 
president 
> at the same time as Abraham Lincoln...
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
> > positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
> > Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
> > Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
> > Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
> > and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
> > successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
> > yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
> > of dark skin, just like in this country.
> > 
> > Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > Santa Maria, California
> >  
> > --- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Irma--
> > > 
> > > No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> > > is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> > > light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> > > blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> > > saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> > > striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> > > his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> > > traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> > > Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My
> > > husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
> > > Anna Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
> > > descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> > > married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
> > > Rincon de Romos.  In between there were Aguirres,
> > > Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> > > closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
> > > Roman.  
> > > 
> > > I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from
> > > Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
> > > Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> > > Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
> > > be inter-related.  They also look different from the
> > > people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the
> > > 1960's with my father.  It seems my husband's
> > > ancestors were always merchants or military, or
> > > religious, etc. (town people) and were not laborers
> > > on the ranchos like my ancestors.  That leads me to
> > > believe that the Spaniards were more educated than
> > > the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
> > > authority and in commerce rather than laboring in
> > > the fields and ranches.
> > > 
> > > Emilie Garcia
> > > Port Orchard, WA ---
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   From: Irma
> > > GomezLucero<mailto:igomezlucero@c...> 
> > >   To:
> > >
> > ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> > > 
> > >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:03 AM
> > >   Subject: RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
> > > Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
> > > commonly seen in Romos even of today.  My aunt
> > > married a Romo, and many of my cousins have a
> > > striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
> > > eyes-whether they be brown/green/blue) to Santo
> > > Toribio.  Since they haven't done any research, I've
> > > been trying to figure out any connections for them. 
> > > In doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of
> > > the family to Santo Toribio's mother who is NOT a
> > > Romo.  This is how I came to "meet" John G.  I still
> > > have more work to do on my Romos & my cousin's.  I
> > > also thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie into
> > > Rincon de Romos.  My cousins claim that their father
> > > often told them they weren't related to the Romos of
> > > Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis Potosi.  I
> > > just think that their features are a bit too much to
> > > ignore.  Gotta go and dig some more....
> > >   Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo too,
> > > and that you tied into the Romos in Rincon de Romos?
> > >  Just wondering...  I know there are still many
> > > there but haven't been able to tie mine in ...
> > >   Irma
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
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> > >   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Alberto Duarte
> > >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15 AM
> > >   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
> > > Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   It's called faith and we have it.
> > > 
> > >   Alberto Duarte Prieto
> > >   Santa Maria, California
> > > 
> > >   --- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >   > 
> > >   >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> 
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.htm
> 
l><http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.
> html>>
> > >   > 
> > >   > 
> > >   > John,
> > >   > 
> > >   > I had never heard of the saint you are related
> > > to,
> > >   > so I started browsing the internet for
> > > information
> > >   > on him, and I found this interesting article
> > > (check
> > >   > link above).  What was fascinating to me is the
> > >   > picture of Toribio Romo.  He bears a striking
> > >   > resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
> > >   > great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was
> > > from
> > >   > Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco and whose
> > > ancestors I
> > >   > have traced to Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes
> > >   > which is just south of our areas of interest in
> > >   > Zacatecas.  
> > >   > 
> > >   > How lucky you are to have traced your ancestors
> > > back
> > >   > to 1550; I've been working so hard for over five
> > >   > YEARS and have only found our people back to the
> > >   > early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps
> > > guiding
> > >   > you?  The article goes into a deep discussion
> > > about
> > >   > guardian angels, etc. all the way back in
> > > history
> > >   > even before the Hebrews.  
> > >   > 
> > >   > May Santo Toribio help us all in meeting our
> > > goals
> > >   > as he has helped others of our people.
> > >   > 
> > >   > Emilie Garcia
> > >   > Port Orchard, WA ---
> > >   > 
> > >   > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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