and Ted Williams was 1/2 Mexican (his mom). . .kind of got off the
subject. didn't I?
but Melungeons are such interesting people and are VERY possibly some
of the earliest non Native American settlers on the east coast. the
Story goes and DNA indications seem to say that they were crosses
between the Native Americans and slaves that Sir Francis Drake left
behind on Roanoke Island on 26 June 1586 which interacted with "the
lost colony". The slaves left behind were captured either in the
Carribean Islands and/or close to Spanish waters that were made of
Turkish, Moors, and Other Mediterranean peoples,
http://melungeonhealth.org/info.html
joseph
ps: and it is possible that some of us that have Moor blood floating
around our veins that have roots in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes might be related to to them. . .boy was that a stretch
to keep it on topic, wasn't it?
Arturo Ramos wrote:
P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that
Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you all look up that as
it is too hard to explain here but needless to say a person "of
color".
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...>
wrote:
The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all
researching,
Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico. He
encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish
(Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into
the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations
with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.
He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown. I am
now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that
so
many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente
Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to
mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was
Zapotec. I think that as much prejudice as there was back then,
the
demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases
made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working
person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well
for themselves. Statistically probaly not as well as they might
have
done now a days but definitely better than people of color were
doing
in the United States at the same time... Benito Juarez was
president
at the same time as Abraham Lincoln...
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...>
wrote:
Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
successful business men throughout Zacatecas. But
yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
of dark skin, just like in this country.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...> wrote:
Irma--
No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. It
is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco. The photo of the
saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes. I have
traced some of the Garcias who married into the
Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos. My
husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
Anna Cleta Calzada. Marciana Cervantes was
descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
Rincon de Romos. In between there were Aguirres,
Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases. The
closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
Roman.
I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from
Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
Jalisco. People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
be inter-related. They also look different from the
people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the
1960's with my father. It seems my husband's
ancestors were always merchants or military, or
religious, etc. (town people) and were not laborers
on the ranchos like my ancestors. That leads me to
believe that the Spaniards were more educated than
the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
authority and in commerce rather than laboring in
the fields and ranches.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma
GomezLucero<mailto:igomezlucero@c...>
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
commonly seen in Romos even of today. My aunt
married a Romo, and many of my cousins have a
striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
eyes-whether they be brown/green/blue) to Santo
Toribio. Since they haven't done any research, I've
been trying to figure out any connections for them.
In doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of
the family to Santo Toribio's mother who is NOT a
Romo. This is how I came to "meet" John G. I still
have more work to do on my Romos & my cousin's. I
also thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie into
Rincon de Romos. My cousins claim that their father
often told them they weren't related to the Romos of
Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis Potosi. I
just think that their features are a bit too much to
ignore. Gotta go and dig some more....
Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo too,
and that you tied into the Romos in Rincon de Romos?
Just wondering... I know there are still many
there but haven't been able to tie mine in ...
Irma
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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Alberto Duarte
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
It's called faith and we have it.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
>
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.htm
l><http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.
html>>
>
>
> John,
>
> I had never heard of the saint you are related
to,
> so I started browsing the internet for
information
> on him, and I found this interesting article
(check
> link above). What was fascinating to me is the
> picture of Toribio Romo. He bears a striking
> resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
> great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was
from
> Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco and whose
ancestors I
> have traced to Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes
> which is just south of our areas of interest in
> Zacatecas.
>
> How lucky you are to have traced your ancestors
back
> to 1550; I've been working so hard for over five
> YEARS and have only found our people back to the
> early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps
guiding
> you? The article goes into a deep discussion
about
> guardian angels, etc. all the way back in
history
> even before the Hebrews.
>
> May Santo Toribio help us all in meeting our
goals
> as he has helped others of our people.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>
>
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