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RE: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

 
Hi! 
 
Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were, in some cases, the result of Spaniards marrying the "local girls" ........is this what you are referring to, Arturo?    I do not understand these numbers.....I am just trying to make heads or tails out of it......and to justify the $$$$ I spent to get these numbers!  :-)  
Seriously, I don't mind spending the money if it will give me some clues as to my ancestors, the migration pattern they followed, etc.  I have only researched about three or four generations on my Dad's maternal line and three or four on my Mom's maternal and paternal lines so I have a long way to go.  I have been focusing on my Dad's paternal Trevino lineage and go "way back" to about the 1400s in Spain. 
 
I really enjoy reading the messages everyone is sending regarding Y-DNA and mtDNA because I am slowing learning a little here and there.  What I really like is finding out that I have matches to a few in this group, Linda, Victor, Arturo and an exact match with Ed!  Even though I have never met any of you in person  I do feel a connection!  The only grandparent I knew was my Mom's father and he died when I was 7 years old.  My other grandparents died before I was born.  I only have one brother so you can see that my familia is very small.......maybe that is why I am always looking for "mi gente!"   I have met several primos and primas (live ones!) through genealogy and it feels good when we share information and discover that our great-grandparents were brothers/sisters and here we are digging up their information! 
 
It would be wonderful if a group were started concentrating on mtDNA.
 
Josie in San Antonio
 
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arturo Ramos
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:04 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.

The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic
material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic
collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the
subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA
information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is
gathering.

We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous
ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and
settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
>
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...>
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
>
>
>   Margarita:
>
>   Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be
able
>   to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages. 
If
>   your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA
but
>   would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he
would
>   have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However,
his
>   father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your
>   father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the
test...
>   Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
>
>   If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for
$99
>   and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the
yDNA
>   through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a
yDNA-
>   based project only)...
>
>   Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
>
>
>
>
>
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza
<TeaCozyGran@k...>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because
me
>   mum 
>   > wasn't Hispanic.  If I have one of my male cousins do this,
would I
>   get 
>   > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my
>   uncle?  
>   > In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my
>   father's 
>   > sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's
brother, 
>   > which would be the better candidate?  Marge V:)
>   >
>   > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
>   >
>   > > Josie,
>   > >
>   > >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are
related
>   since 
>   > > we are studying our
>   > >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my
>   mtDNA 
>   > > results which I
>   > >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low 
>   > > resolution level to my
>   > >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia
Isordia).  I
>   did 
>   > > not realize who you
>   > >  were.
>   > >
>   > >  Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do
the
>   HVR2 
>   > > and you have
>   > >  extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we
>   are 
>   > > related at an even closer
>   > >  (high resolution) level.
>   > >
>   > >  Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material
you
>   have 
>   > > in the Ranchos
>   > >  database. My grandmother's data is below.
>   > >
>   > >  Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am.
Amazing.
>   > >
>   > >  Abrazos,
>   > >
>   > >  Ed
>   > >
>   > >  HVR1 Haplogroup A
>   > >  HVR1 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  16223T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  16290T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  16319A
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  16362C
>   > >
>   > >  HVR2 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  64T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  73G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  146C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  153G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  182T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  235G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  263G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  315.1C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  522-
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â
>   > >  523-
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >  --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
>   <Josiett3@s...> 
>   > > wrote:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six
>   mutations.  Does 
>   > > this
>   > >  > mean we are related 'way 'way back?   Linda.....I also
match
>   four 
>   > > of yours.
>   > >  > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure
we
>   share 
>   > > a few
>   > >  > also.  I haven't had a chance to do much more on this but
>   hopefully 
>   > > I will
>   > >  > after the holidays.    Thanks!    Josie in San
Antonio
>   > >  >Â
>   > >  >Â
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 Haplogroup
>   > >  >
>   > >  > A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 differences
>   > >  >
>   > >  > from
>   > >  > 
>   > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?
<http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?>
>   > > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
>   > >  > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%
A7%B3%
>   85%
>   > >  A4%9E%C9%A
>   > >  > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%
B2%99%
>   7C%
>   > >  83%B9%AD%C
>   > >  > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >      Â
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >      Â
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >      Â
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â Â
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  >   _____Â
>   > >  >
>   > >  > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
>   On 
>   > > Behalf Of
>   > >  > Arturo Ramos
>   > >  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
>   > >  > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   > >  > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16111T
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  > 16390A
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa
Magallanes
>   born
>   > >  > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely
>   Tepecano
>   > >  > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the
Spanish
>   were
>   > >  > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos
and
>   brought
>   > >  > in a lot of other labor to the area.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
>   > > <raices_regias@y...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Josie & Linda,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an
>   exact match
>   > >  > we
>   > >  > > do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with
>   > >  > mitochondrial
>   > >  > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our
>   female
>   > >  > common
>   > >  > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical
>   times.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is
>   called "Deep
>   > >  > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share
the
>   same
>   > >  > > Native American roots in the distant past.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Warm Regards,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Victor
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"
>   <Josiett3@s...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Message: 8       Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005
03:55:34 -
>   000        
>   > > From:
>   > >  > > "Erlinda
>   > >  > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...>
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo
group
>   A 
>   > > 16111T
>   > >  > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind
sharing?
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Linda in Everett
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  =======================================================
>   > >  ==========
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor!
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Is this what you are referring to (below)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > HVR1> CRS
>   > >  > > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T
>   > >  > > > 16319A
>   > >  > > > 16362C
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > I just printed all this out last night and really did
not
>   read 
>   > > it
>   > >  > > (properly)
>   > >  > > > due to a lack of time.  I have been in Houston for a
week
>   and
>   > >  > unable
>   > >  > > to do
>   > >  > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects.  What do
>   these 
>   > > numbers
>   > >  > > mean?   If
>   > >  > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we
have
>   a 
>   > > common
>   > >  > > ancestor
>   > >  > > > "somewhere"....?  Please feel free to enlighten me as
I
>   know
>   > >  > absolutely
>   > >  > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that
tells
>   my
>   > >  > age!   :-)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > >
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