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Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

 
Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.

The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
gathering.

We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
> 
> 
>   Margarita:
> 
>   Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be 
able 
>   to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  
If 
>   your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA 
but 
>   would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he 
would 
>   have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, 
his 
>   father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
>   father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the 
test... 
>   Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.
> 
>   If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for 
$99 
>   and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the 
yDNA 
>   through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a 
yDNA-
>   based project only)...
> 
>   Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
<TeaCozyGran@k...> 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because 
me 
>   mum  
>   > wasn't Hispanic.  If I have one of my male cousins do this, 
would I 
>   get  
>   > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my 
>   uncle?   
>   > In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my 
>   father's  
>   > sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's 
brother,  
>   > which would be the better candidate?  Marge V:)
>   > 
>   > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
>   > 
>   > > Josie,
>   > >
>   > >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are 
related 
>   since  
>   > > we are studying our
>   > >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my 
>   mtDNA  
>   > > results which I
>   > >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low  
>   > > resolution level to my
>   > >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia 
Isordia).  I 
>   did  
>   > > not realize who you
>   > >  were.
>   > >
>   > >  Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do 
the 
>   HVR2  
>   > > and you have
>   > >  extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we 
>   are  
>   > > related at an even closer
>   > >  (high resolution) level.
>   > >
>   > >  Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material 
you 
>   have  
>   > > in the Ranchos
>   > >  database. My grandmother's data is below.
>   > >
>   > >  Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. 
Amazing.
>   > >
>   > >  Abrazos,
>   > >
>   > >  Ed
>   > >
>   > >  HVR1 Haplogroup A
>   > >  HVR1 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  16223T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16290T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16319A
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  16362C
>   > >
>   > >  HVR2 differences
>   > >  from CRS
>   > >  64T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  73G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  146C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  153G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  182T
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  235G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  263G
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  315.1C
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  522-
>   > >  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  523-
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >  --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
>   <Josiett3@s...>  
>   > > wrote:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six 
>   mutations.  Does  
>   > > this
>   > >  > mean we are related 'way 'way back?   Linda.....I also 
match 
>   four  
>   > > of yours.
>   > >  > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure 
we 
>   share  
>   > > a few
>   > >  > also.  I haven't had a chance to do much more on this but 
>   hopefully  
>   > > I will
>   > >  > after the holidays.    Thanks!    Josie in San 
Antonio
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 Haplogroup
>   > >  >
>   > >  > A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > HVR1 differences
>   > >  >
>   > >  > from
>   > >  >  
>   > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?
<http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?> 
>   > > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9
>   > >  > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae%
A7%B3%
>   85%
>   > >  A4%9E%C9%A
>   > >  > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP%
B2%99%
>   7C%
>   > >  83%B9%AD%C
>   > >  > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â  Â Â Â Â Â 
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  >Â Â  _____Â 
>   > >  >
>   > >  > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
>   On  
>   > > Behalf Of
>   > >  > Arturo Ramos
>   > >  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM
>   > >  > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   > >  > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  >
>   > >  >
>   > >  > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
>   > >  >
>   > >  > 16111T
>   > >  > 16223T
>   > >  > 16290T
>   > >  > 16319A
>   > >  > 16362C
>   > >  > 16390A
>   > >  >
>   > >  > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa 
Magallanes 
>   born
>   > >  > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely 
>   Tepecano
>   > >  > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the 
Spanish 
>   were
>   > >  > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos 
and 
>   brought
>   > >  > in a lot of other labor to the area.
>   > >  >
>   > >  > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
>   > > <raices_regias@y...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Josie & Linda,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an 
>   exact match
>   > >  > we
>   > >  > > do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with
>   > >  > mitochondrial
>   > >  > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our 
>   female
>   > >  > common
>   > >  > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical 
>   times.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is 
>   called "Deep
>   > >  > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share 
the 
>   same
>   > >  > > Native American roots in the distant past.
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Warm Regards,
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > Victor
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > >
>   > >  > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" 
>   <Josiett3@s...>
>   > >  > wrote:
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Message: 8Â Â Â Â Â Â  Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 
03:55:34 -
>   000Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   
>   > > From:
>   > >  > > "Erlinda
>   > >  > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...>
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo 
group 
>   A  
>   > > 16111T
>   > >  > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind 
sharing?
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Linda in Everett
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  =======================================================
>   > >  ==========
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor!
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Is this what you are referring to (below)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > HVR1> CRS
>   > >  > > > 16223T
>   > >  > > > 16290T
>   > >  > > > 16319A
>   > >  > > > 16362C
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > I just printed all this out last night and really did 
not 
>   read  
>   > > it
>   > >  > > (properly)
>   > >  > > > due to a lack of time.  I have been in Houston for a 
week 
>   and
>   > >  > unable
>   > >  > > to do
>   > >  > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects.  What do 
>   these  
>   > > numbers
>   > >  > > mean?   If
>   > >  > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we 
have 
>   a  
>   > > common
>   > >  > > ancestor
>   > >  > > > "somewhere"....?  Please feel free to enlighten me as 
I 
>   know
>   > >  > absolutely
>   > >  > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that 
tells 
>   my
>   > >  > age!   :-)
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio,
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > > > Josie
>   > >  > > >
>   > >  > >
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