by Date 
- in Thread
Main Index - Date Index - Thread Index
Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
- To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
- Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
- From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>
- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:23:04 -0000
- Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys
- In-reply-to: <200511182242.jAIMg59D027715@...>
- User-agent: eGroups-EW/0.82
I have uploaded an article into the files section of Ranchos2 that explores the relationship between genetics and Latin American (particularly Mexican) history. It has some intersting data on mtDNA distributions among different ethinc groups in what is now the U.S. and Mexico. Genetics and Latin American History.pdf Surprisingly, the fact that we are all haplogroup A points to our maternal ancestors coming to the region after Spanish contact (probably from further south) since the groups indigenous to the area we are studying tend to have relatively high levels of haplogroup B populations. The following is a link to a very well researched Spanish language article on the indigenous populations of the Colotlan/Bolanos area at the time of Spanish contact: http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@s...> wrote: > > Hi! > > Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were, in some cases, the > result of Spaniards marrying the "local girls" ........is this what you are > referring to, Arturo? I do not understand these numbers.....I am just > trying to make heads or tails out of it......and to justify the $$$$ I spent > to get these numbers! :-) > Seriously, I don't mind spending the money if it will give me some clues as > to my ancestors, the migration pattern they followed, etc. I have only > researched about three or four generations on my Dad's maternal line and > three or four on my Mom's maternal and paternal lines so I have a long way > to go. I have been focusing on my Dad's paternal Trevino lineage and go > "way back" to about the 1400s in Spain. > > I really enjoy reading the messages everyone is sending regarding Y- DNA and > mtDNA because I am slowing learning a little here and there. What I really > like is finding out that I have matches to a few in this group, Linda, > Victor, Arturo and an exact match with Ed! Even though I have never met any > of you in person I do feel a connection! The only grandparent I knew was > my Mom's father and he died when I was 7 years old. My other grandparents > died before I was born. I only have one brother so you can see that my > familia is very small.......maybe that is why I am always looking for "mi > gente!" I have met several primos and primas (live ones!) through > genealogy and it feels good when we share information and discover that our > great-grandparents were brothers/sisters and here we are digging up their > information! > > It would be wonderful if a group were started concentrating on mtDNA. > > Josie in San Antonio > > _____ > > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Arturo Ramos > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:04 PM > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match > > > Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very > much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages. > > The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic > material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic > collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the > subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA > information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is > gathering. > > We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous > ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and > settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico. > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> > wrote: > > > > Arturo, > > > > I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group. > > > > Emilie Garcia > > Port Orchard, WA --- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> > > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:52 AM > > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match > > > > > > Margarita: > > > > Is your father still living? If he did the test, you would be > able > > to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages. > If > > your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA > but > > would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he > would > > have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA. However, > his > > father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your > > father. I guess you could have to have both of them do the > test... > > Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA. > > > > If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for > $99 > > and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129. You get a discount on the > yDNA > > through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a > yDNA- > > based project only)... > > > > Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza > <TeaCozyGran@k...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because > me > > mum > > > wasn't Hispanic. If I have one of my male cousins do this, > would I > > get > > > some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my > > uncle? > > > In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my > > father's > > > sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's > brother, > > > which would be the better candidate? Marge V:) > > > > > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote: > > > > > > > Josie, > > > > > > > > I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are > related > > since > > > > we are studying our > > > > ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my > > mtDNA > > > > results which I > > > > haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low > > > > resolution level to my > > > > paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia > Isordia). I > > did > > > > not realize who you > > > > were. > > > > > > > > Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do > the > > HVR2 > > > > and you have > > > > extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we > > are > > > > related at an even closer > > > > (high resolution) level. > > > > > > > > Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material > you > > have > > > > in the Ranchos > > > > database. My grandmother's data is below. > > > > > > > > Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. > Amazing. > > > > > > > > Abrazos, > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > HVR1 Haplogroup A > > > > HVR1 differences > > > > from CRS > > > > 16223T > > > >      > > > > 16290T > > > >      > > > > 16319A > > > >      > > > > 16362C > > > > > > > > HVR2 differences > > > > from CRS > > > > 64T > > > >      > > > > 73G > > > >      > > > > 146C > > > >      > > > > 153G > > > >      > > > > 182T > > > >      > > > > 235G > > > >      > > > > 263G > > > >      > > > > 315.1C > > > >      > > > > 522- > > > >      > > > > 523- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" > > <Josiett3@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Arturo......it seems that I match four of your six > > mutations. Does > > > > this > > > > > mean we are related 'way 'way back?  Linda.....I also > match > > four > > > > of yours. > > > > > Victor.....I don't have your numbers but I am pretty sure > we > > share > > > > a few > > > > > also. I haven't had a chance to do much more on this but > > hopefully > > > > I will > > > > > after the holidays.   Thanks!   Josie in San > Antonio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HVR1 Haplogroup > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HVR1 differences > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp? > <http://www.familytreedna.com/mtResDisplay.asp?> > > > > kit=42332&code=P7670&crypt=%9 > > > > > 2%C5%B9%98%7F%94%8Cz%91k%7D%B3%C3%99%BD%7C%94%81u%5C%8Ae% > A7%B3% > > 85% > > > > A4%9E%C9%A > > > > > 7%AAJ%A7%BFu%7C%CC%9B%B4j%95%9Am%A8%AA%B6%B3%5D%89x%8EnP% > B2%99% > > 7C% > > > > 83%B9%AD%C > > > > > F%8CJ%CA%94%BC%9B%#HVR1> CRS > > > > > > > > > > 16223T > > > > > > > > > >      > > > > > 16290T > > > > > > > > > >      > > > > > 16319A > > > > > > > > > >      > > > > > 16362C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] > > On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Arturo Ramos > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:06 PM > > > > > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor, Josie, Linda, et al. > > > > > > > > > > I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations: > > > > > > > > > > 16111T > > > > > 16223T > > > > > 16290T > > > > > 16319A > > > > > 16362C > > > > > 16390A > > > > > > > > > > I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa > Magallanes > > born > > > > > circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely > > Tepecano > > > > > (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the > Spanish > > were > > > > > really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos > and > > brought > > > > > in a lot of other labor to the area. > > > > > > > > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" > > > > <raices_regias@y...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie & Linda, > > > > > > > > > > > > We share the same haplogroup A. Although we're not an > > exact match > > > > > we > > > > > > do match on some numbers. Since we're dealing here with > > > > > mitochondrial > > > > > > DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our > > female > > > > > common > > > > > > ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical > > times. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is > > called "Deep > > > > > > Ancestry" of our maternal lineage. We definitely share > the > > same > > > > > > Native American roots in the distant past. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino" > > <Josiett3@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 8      Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 > 03:55:34 - > > 000       > > > > From: > > > > > > "Erlinda > > > > > > > Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo > group > > A > > > > 16111T > > > > > > 16223T > > > > > > > 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind > sharing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linda in Everett > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Linda.....Hi Victor! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this what you are referring to (below) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HVR1> CRS > > > > > > > 16223T > > > > > > > 16290T > > > > > > > 16319A > > > > > > > 16362C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just printed all this out last night and really did > not > > read > > > > it > > > > > > (properly) > > > > > > > due to a lack of time. I have been in Houston for a > week > > and > > > > > unable > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > "my thing" with my genealogy/DNA projects. What do > > these > > > > numbers > > > > > > mean?  If > > > > > > > any match to you (Linda & Victor) does that mean we > have > > a > > > > common > > > > > > ancestor > > > > > > > "somewhere"....? Please feel free to enlighten me as > I > > know > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > nothing about "this new DNA stuff"......I guess that > tells > > my > > > > > age!  :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abrazos desde San Antonio, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > Aguascalientes > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > > > t=ms&k=Aguascalientes&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Cri > > > > > > minal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas > > > > +hotel&w6=Fiesta > > > > > > > +americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=3dGDyzZK1JYlft_kl5Y0RA> > > > > > Criminal > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > > > t=ms&k=Criminal+offenses&w1=Aguascalientes&w2= > > > > > > Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas > > > > +hotel&w6=Fie > > > > > > > > sta+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=rIqx_vlal4c5USviDDmPCQ> > > > > offenses > > > > > Zacatecas > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > > > t=ms&k=Zacatecas&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal > > > > > > > > > > > > +offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiest > > a > > > > +amer > > > > > > icana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=0I9QabaLqZysHNkjQQ8kLA> > > > >      > > > > > Zacatecas > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Zacatecas<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Zacatecas> &k=Zacatecas> > > > > +mexico&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=C > > > > > > riminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas > > > > +hotel&w6=Fies > > > > > > > > ta+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=cOINbNYO1WJJy2BT4tgmBA> > > > > mexico > > > > > Zacatecas > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Zacatecas<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Zacatecas> &k=Zacatecas> > > > > +hotel&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Cr > > > > > > iminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas > > > > +hotel&w6=Fiest > > > > > > > > a+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=IlWErASU8JXH8YNhGBk9hQ> > > > > hotel > > > > > Fiesta > > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > > > t=ms&k=Fiesta+americana+aguascalientes&w1=Agua > > > > > scalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas > > > > +mexico&w5=Zacateca > > > > > s+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana > > > > +aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=VhhnwMFlUbMHR432Rt > > > > > NUkw> americana aguascalientes      > > > > > > > > > >  _____ > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >      > > > > > *     Visit your group "ranchos > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/r > anchos>> " > > > > > on the web. > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! > > Terms of > > > > Service > > > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>> > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > â-ª  Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > > >  > > > > â-ª  To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > > > >  ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >  > > > > â-ª  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Aguascalientes<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Aguascalientes&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacate > cas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+aguasca > lientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=3dGDyzZK1JYlft_kl5Y0RA> Criminal > offenses<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Criminal+offenses&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zac > atecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+agua > scalientes&c=6&s=138&sig=rIqx_vlal4c5USviDDmPCQ> > Zacatecas<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Zacatecas&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w > 4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+aguascalient > es&c=6&s=138&.sig=0I9QabaLqZysHNkjQQ8kLA> > > Zacatecas mexico<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Zacatecas+mexico&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zaca > tecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+aguas > calientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=cOINbNYO1WJJy2BT4tgmBA> Zacatecas > hotel<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Zacatecas+hotel&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacat > ecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+aguasc > alientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=IlWErASU8JXH8YNhGBk9hQ> Fiesta americana > aguascalientes<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Fiesta+americana+aguascalientes&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal+o > ffenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiesta+ > americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=VhhnwMFlUbMHR432RtNUkw> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ---------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > a.. Visit your > group "ranchos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos>" on the web. > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos- > unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Aguascalientes > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Aguascalientes&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Cri > minal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6= Fiesta > +americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=3dGDyzZK1JYlft_kl5Y0RA> > Criminal > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Criminal+offenses&w1=Aguascalientes&w2= > Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel& w6=Fie > sta+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=rIqx_vlal4c5USviDDmPCQ> offenses > Zacatecas > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Zacatecas&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Criminal > +offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6=Fiest a+amer > icana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=0I9QabaLqZysHNkjQQ8kLA> > Zacatecas > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Zacatecas+mexico&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=C > riminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w 6=Fies > ta+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=cOINbNYO1WJJy2BT4tgmBA> mexico > Zacatecas > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Zacatecas+hotel&w1=Aguascalientes&w2=Cr > iminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Zacatecas+hotel&w6 =Fiest > a+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=IlWErASU8JXH8YNhGBk9hQ> hotel > Fiesta > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Fiesta+americana+aguascalientes&w1=Agua > scalientes&w2=Criminal+offenses&w3=Zacatecas&w4=Zacatecas+mexico&w5=Za cateca > s+hotel&w6=Fiesta+americana+aguascalientes&c=6&s=138&.sig=VhhnwMFlUbMH R432Rt > NUkw> americana aguascalientes > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "ranchos <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos> " > on the web. > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > _____ > |
- References:
- RE: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
- From: "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@...>
- RE: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
- Prev by Date: Believe--- Re: [ranchos 2]
- Next by Date: DNA and the Today show.
- Previous by thread: RE: [ranchos] Re: Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match
- Next by thread: mtDNA and other DNA
- Index(es):