Re: [ranchos] Re: La Antorcha Encendida y La Sumaria Relacion

[Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>]

Victor and Ed,

 

The reason I chose to use this quote is because the topic was on historical novelas and or movies. My recollection was that in times past many movies and novelas were created with this thematic matter. It is not that I agree or disagree with it, my opinion is not of any relevance as it is not well informed either way. The two of you appear to have much better information and anecdotal data than I do. I appreciate your inputs and comments and for my part enjoy when two diverging views are presented with facts or data to represent each point of view.

 

Please continue to enlighten us when ever possible. Since joining this group I have been reading as much as possible on the history of Mexico at different time periods.

 

That might be something we could do as a group, provide more names of books and texts that each of us feels would be enlightening to the group as it relates to our research. You know what they say, several people might read the same material and come away with differing opinions. I would love to belong to a Latino/Mexican literary group so that we could hold open discussions. I guess I am dreaming but if you don't have dreams you are not truly living.

 

Take care,

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

"v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...> wrote:

> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Victor,
> >    
> >   I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii. 
> >    
> >   En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de
> conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian
> formar una especie de aristocracia que
>  desdeñaba todo comercio,
> granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se
> alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los
> virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y
> relaciones de meritos.
> >    
> >   Para todo se creian aptos por solo su abolengo. Eran en suma, una
> nube de vagos con humos de grandes señores que veian de reojo a los
> españoles llegados despues de la conquista porque con mejor acuerdo se
> dedicaban a trabajar en el comercio o en la labor de la tierra. De su
> industria sacaban comodidades que los de alcurnia de conquistadores
> veian con envidia, y la desahogaban con morder despiadadamente a los
> que llaman advenedizos, aprovechando el lado ridiculo de algunos
> embusteros arrogantes que llegaban contando maravillas de sus riquezas
> y linajes cuando a legua descubrian la burda tela de su baja y
> estrecha cuna. Asi comenzaba desde temprano el odio
>  entre españoles y
> criollos. Este hecho que señala Icazbalceta se fue generalizando y
> acentuando dia tras dia.
> >    
> >   While I agree with you that this is not the primary focus of the
> book it does allude to this phenomenon early on in the history of Mexico.
> >    
> >   Alicia 
> > 
>
> Alicia,
>
> I know that you have taken those quotes from the preface to the book.
> I think it was very unfortunate for the publishers to have chosen
> such a person to write that introduction full of personal attacks to
> the author and erecting himself as the sole authority and judge of
> those who lived thru a very complex period in the history of the New
> Spain.  That was far from being an objective historical analysis.
>
> If everyone had been "arrogant and lazy vagrants" we wouldn't have
> such an exceptional compilation of historical information in our
> hands.  Besides if it wasn't
>  for those creoles that he despises so
> much México wouldn't have become an independent nation when it did.
>
> Read the book, Alicia, and form you own opinion.  Then come back and
> read the preface again and see if you and Mr. Ernesto de la Torre
> still think alike.  
>
> Victor