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Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Victor and Ed,
The reason I chose to use this quote is because the topic was on
historical novelas and or movies. My recollection was that in times
past many movies and novelas were created with this thematic matter. It
is not that I agree or disagree with it, my opinion is not of
any relevance as it is not well informed either way. The two of you
appear to have much better information and anecdotal data than I do. I
appreciate your inputs and comments and for my part enjoy when two
diverging views are presented with facts or data to represent each
point of view.
Please continue to enlighten us when ever possible. Since
joining this group I have been reading as much as possible on the
history of Mexico at different time periods.
That might be something we could do as a group, provide more
names of books and texts that each of us feels would be enlightening to
the group as it relates to our research. You know what they say,
several people might read the same material and come away with
differing opinions. I would love to belong to a Latino/Mexican literary
group so that we could hold open discussions. I guess I am dreaming but
if you don't have dreams you are not truly living.
dreams come through with action. here is how you do it. get together
with those Rancho Members right in your area and pick a book to read or
and get together quarterly to review the book. put a notice up in the
family history center you attend and the others in the SF bay area (you
could mail them to the others unless you want to make a visit).
just an idea.
joseph
Take care,
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In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
>
> Victor,
>
> I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii.
>
> En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de
conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian
formar una especie de aristocracia que desdeñaba todo comercio,
granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se
alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los
virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y
relaciones de meritos.
>
> Para todo se creian aptos por solo su abolengo. Eran en suma, una
nube de vagos con humos de grandes señores que veian de reojo a los
españoles llegados despues de la conquista porque con mejor acuerdo se
dedicaban a trabajar en el comercio o en la labor de la tierra. De su
industria sacaban comodidades que los de alcurnia de conquistadores
veian con envidia, y la desahogaban con morder despiadadamente a los
que llaman advenedizos, aprovechando el lado ridiculo de algunos
embusteros arrogantes que llegaban contando maravillas de sus riquezas
y linajes cuando a legua descubrian la burda tela de su baja y
estrecha cuna. Asi comenzaba desde temprano el odio entre españoles y
criollos. Este hecho que señala Icazbalceta se fue generalizando y
acentuando dia tras dia.
>
> While I agree with you that this is not the primary focus of the
book it does allude to this phenomenon early on in the history of
Mexico.
>
> Alicia
>
Alicia,
I know that you have taken those quotes from the preface to the book.
I think it was very unfortunate for the publishers to have chosen
such a person to write that introduction full of personal attacks to
the author and erecting himself as the sole authority and judge of
those who lived thru a very complex period in the history of the New
Spain. That was far from being an objective historical analysis.
If everyone had been "arrogant and lazy vagrants" we wouldn't have
such an exceptional compilation of historical information in our
hands. Besides if it wasn't for those creoles that he despises so
much México wouldn't have become an independent nation when it did.
Read the book, Alicia, and form you own opinion. Then come back and
read the preface again and see if you and Mr. Ernesto de la Torre
still think alike.
Victor
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