Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

[robert hernandez <tehuima2@...>]

The exploitation and enslavement of 500 years,from
Mexico's caste and colonial system under the
Encomienda, are rooted deep within all of us. A weed
is a hard thing eradicate. Remember when you had
Dallas grass? Hopefully these last 50 years of
struggling against racial nationalism(e.g. defeat of
the Nazi's,collapse of Communism and the development
of the American Civil Rights Movement and birth of the
Rock 'n Roll and Salsa) will give fruit to a more
equal distribution of the benefits of being
alive,well, singing and dancing in these times. 

--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:

> Well, according to some, I made some misconceived
> assumptions in my posting about the uncanny
> resemblance of some people in the religious and
> merchant and military communities of Jalisco and
> Aguascalientes (the altenos, as Irma says). 
> However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about
> Colotlan, Spaniards and Indians were segregated
> prior to 1821, and I know of some that kept their
> racial lily-white "purity" to recent times, my
> husband's people, for instance.  According to my
> mother-in-law and her sisters (now long dead), no
> one in their families or their in-laws' families had
> "ever mixed with Indians".  They were accomplished
> pianists, etc. and educated.  My husband and his
> brother are also averse to manual labor.  I can't
> ask my husband to fix anything around here.  He says
> "they have people that do that; call someone".  In
> California I had maids and gardeners, but up here I
> have bark, boulders, and native shrubs instead of
> lawn, and the house gets cleaned when I can't stand
> the dust bunnies any longer.  I've become very handy
> with tools, too.
> 
> My husband and his brother were the first in their
> families to marry dark olive skinned girls though
> they themselves weren't averse to using the term
> "chicanos prietos" or "indios surumatos".  My
> sister-in-law once made the statement that she would
> only marry "white" and she did.  My mother-in-law
> favored those grandchildren.  My husband's aunt in
> Mexico City, a profesora and former nun, was very
> critical of "inditos" and "rancheros".  She couldn't
> understand why everyone in Mexico couldn't get a
> higher education.  My mother-in-law took every
> opportunity to disparage my complexion.  When losing
> an argument about anything with me, she would start
> saying things out of the blue like "well, [prietas]
> may have some things to recommend them, but they
> can't compare to [gueras]".  In Mexico, too, I was
> unfamiliar with referring to people by their
> color--"la senora guera", etc.  At an upscale store
> there, when I bought a red umbrella, the clerk, who
> was guera, told me, "ah, la morena en rojo se ve muy
> bien".  Would she have told that to a guera?  I
> don't think so.  I was insulted. I can buy an
> umbrella here without a clerk making reference to my
> color.
> 
> I saw for myself that light skinned people have more
> of the best jobs and respect in Mexico.  I know that
> my husband's people were always merchants and
> religious and military and educated and lived in
> town.  The ones in Mexico City disdained anyone who
> did not have a string of degrees and titles and
> positions of authority or a proper profession.  My
> Zacatecan ancestors and relatives down to my father
> (a moreno) were not highly educated nor were there
> any doctores, licenciandos, rectores, bachilleres,
> etc.  They were laborers on haciendas, or alfaros
> (potters), canteros (stone-cutters), or jornaleros
> (day laborers).  The people in Jerez, Zacatecas did
> not seem as concerned about degrees and positions of
> authority.  My mother's farming family in New Mexico
> was a mixed family, some light, some dark, but never
> did the gueros lord it over the morenos as I found
> in my husband's family. It just wasn't done.  I know
> that nowadays most of our families, when we sit down
> to Thanksgiving dinner, look like a meeting of the
> United Nations.  It's about time that diversity was
> respected.  My husband and I now have younger
> relatives who are part black, white, Asian, Italian,
> Jewish, etc.  Our little great nieces and nephews
> come in all color combinations--white and blue-eyed,
> or dark and kinky haired with wide noses, or
> Oriental eyes, or celebrate Hannukah instead of
> Christmas or celebrate both.  Amen.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jose munoz<mailto:jmunoz2781@...> 
>   To:
>
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:15 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
> Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
> 
> 
>   I agree with you Alicia...
> 
>   My fathers' cousin Angel Ramirez, and his wife
> Katy,
>   gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny
> Ramirez.
>   The young girl eventually grew to a height of
> 5'5",
>   brown eyes, and long beautiful black hair. Her
> twin
>   brother growth was cut shot, just under 4 feet,
> green
>   eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took
> a
>   while to figure that one. No one thought they were
>   siblings. I believe many people do not understand
> what
>   they are really asking, assuming that it is just a
>   matter of people having similar physical
> appearance.
>   However, since physical appearance is influenced
> by
>   environmental factors, and not just genetics,
> people
>   can actually look very differently.
> 
>   Jose Munoz
> 
>   --- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:
> 
>   > I think it would be a mis-conception to make
>   > assumptions about someone's ancestry based
> solely or
>   > mostly on their looks. We all know that our
> genes go
>   > very far back and with all the inter-mixing of
> races
>   > anything is possible. I have a son who is very
> dark
>   > and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a
> daughter
>   > that is not so dark and has beautiful brown
> eyed,
>   > black haired beautiful girls. Looks, eye color
> and
>   > skin color don't always tell the full story.
>   >  
>   > Alicia
>   > 
>   > Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> wrote:
>   > Irma--
>   >  
>   > No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. 
> It
>   > is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
>   > light skinned, tall, light haired, and
> hazel-eyed or
>   > blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of
> the
>   > saint in the article for which I sent a link
> bears a
>   > striking resemblance to my husband, his father,
> and
>   > his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I
> have
>   > traced some of the Garcias who married into the
>   > Calzada family that were from Rincon de Romos. 
> My
>   > husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia
> married
>   > Anna Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
>   > descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
>   > married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
>   > Rincon de Romos.  In between there were
> Aguirres,
>   > Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
>   > closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is
> one
>   > Roman.  
>   >  
>   > I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo
> from
>   > Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
>   > Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz
> in
>   > Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes
> must
>   > be inter-related.  They also look different from
> the
>   > people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the
>   > 1960's with my father.  It seems my husband's
>   > ancestors were always merchants or military, or
>   > religious, etc. (town people) and were not
> laborers
>   > on the ranchos like my ancestors.  That leads me
> to
>   > believe that the Spaniards were more educated
> than
>   > the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
>   > authority and in commerce rather than laboring
> in
>   > the fields and ranches.
>   >  
>   > Emilie Garcia
>   > Port Orchard, WA ---
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: Irma GomezLucero 
>   > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:03 AM
>   > Subject: RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
>   > Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
>   > commonly seen in Romos even of today.  My aunt
>   > married a Romo, and many of my cousins have a
>   > striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
>   > eyes-whether they be brown/green/blue) to Santo
>   > Toribio.  Since they haven't done any research,
> I've
>   > been trying to figure out any connections for
> them. 
>   > In doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's
> side of
>   > the family to Santo Toribio's mother who is NOT
> a
>   > Romo.  This is how I came to "meet" John G.  I
> still
>   > have more work to do on my Romos & my cousin's. 
> I
>   > also thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie
> into
>   > Rincon de Romos.  My cousins claim that their
> father
>   > often told them they weren't related to the
> Romos of
>   > Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis Potosi. 
> I
>   > just think that their features are a bit too
> much to
>   > ignore.  Gotta go and dig some more....
>   > Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo
> too,
>   > and that you tied into the Romos in Rincon de
> Romos?
>   >  Just wondering...  I know there are still many
>   > there but haven't been able to tie mine in ...
>   > Irma
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ---------------------------------
>   > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   > [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>   > Alberto Duarte
>   > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15 AM
>   > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
>   > Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > It's called faith and we have it.
>   > 
>   > Alberto Duarte Prieto
>   > Santa Maria, California
>   > 
>   > --- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...>
>   > wrote:
>   > 
>   > > 
>   > >
>   >
>  
>
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html><http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html>>
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > John,
>   > > 
>   > > I had never heard of the saint you are related
> to,
>   > > so I started browsing the internet for
> information
>   > > on him, and I found this interesting article
>   > (check
>   > > link above).  What was fascinating to me is
> the
>   > > picture of Toribio Romo.  He bears a striking
>   > > resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
>   > > great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was
> from
>   > > Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco and whose
> ancestors
>   > I
>   > > have traced to Rincon de Romos in
> Aguascalientes
>   > > which is just south of our areas of interest
> in
>   > > Zacatecas.  
>   > > 
>   > > How lucky you are to have traced your
> ancestors
>   > back
>   > > to 1550; I've been working so hard for over
> five
>   > > YEARS and have only found our people back to
> the
>   > > early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps
>   > guiding
>   > > you?  The article goes into a deep discussion
>   > about
>   > > guardian angels, etc. all the way back in
> history
>   > > even before the Hebrews.  
>   > > 
>   > > May Santo Toribio help us all in meeting our
> goals
>   > > as he has helped others of our people.
>   > > 
>   > > Emilie Garcia
>   > > Port Orchard, WA ---
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
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