Well, according to some, I made some misconceived assumptions in
my posting about the uncanny resemblance of some people in the religious and
merchant and military communities of Jalisco and Aguascalientes (the altenos, as
Irma says). However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about Colotlan,
Spaniards and Indians were segregated prior to 1821, and I know of some that
kept their racial lily-white "purity" to recent times, my husband's people, for
instance. According to my mother-in-law and her sisters (now long dead),
no one in their families or their in-laws' families had "ever mixed with
Indians". They were accomplished pianists,
etc. and educated. My husband and his brother are also
averse to manual labor. I can't ask my husband to fix anything around
here. He says "they have people that do that; call someone". In
California I had maids and gardeners, but up here I have bark, boulders, and
native shrubs instead of lawn, and the house gets cleaned when I can't
stand the dust bunnies any longer. I've become very handy with tools,
too.
My husband and his brother were the first in their families to marry dark
olive skinned girls though they themselves weren't averse to using the term
"chicanos prietos" or "indios surumatos". My sister-in-law once made the
statement that she would only marry "white" and she did. My mother-in-law
favored those grandchildren. My husband's aunt in Mexico City, a profesora
and former nun, was very critical of "inditos" and "rancheros". She
couldn't understand why everyone in Mexico couldn't get a higher
education. My mother-in-law took every opportunity to disparage my
complexion. When losing an argument about anything with me, she would
start saying things out of the blue like "well, [prietas] may have some things
to recommend them, but they can't compare to [gueras]". In Mexico,
too, I was unfamiliar with referring to people by their color--"la senora
guera", etc. At an upscale store there, when I bought a red umbrella, the
clerk, who was guera, told me, "ah, la morena en rojo se ve muy bien".
Would she have told that to a guera? I don't think so. I was
insulted. I can buy an umbrella here without a clerk making reference to my
color.
I saw for myself that light skinned people have more of the best jobs and
respect in Mexico. I know that my husband's people were always merchants
and religious and military and educated and lived in town. The ones in
Mexico City disdained anyone who did not have a string of degrees and
titles and positions of authority or a proper profession. My
Zacatecan ancestors and relatives down to my father (a moreno) were not highly
educated nor were there any doctores, licenciandos, rectores, bachilleres,
etc. They were laborers on haciendas, or alfaros (potters), canteros
(stone-cutters), or jornaleros (day laborers). The people in Jerez,
Zacatecas did not seem as concerned about degrees and positions of
authority. My mother's farming family in New Mexico was a mixed family,
some light, some dark, but never did the gueros lord it over the morenos as I
found in my husband's family. It just wasn't done. I know that nowadays
most of our families, when we sit down to Thanksgiving dinner, look like a
meeting of the United Nations. It's about time that diversity was
respected. My husband and I now have younger relatives who are
part black, white, Asian, Italian, Jewish, etc. Our little great nieces
and nephews come in all color combinations--white and blue-eyed, or dark and
kinky haired with wide noses, or Oriental eyes, or celebrate Hannukah
instead of Christmas or celebrate both. Amen.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:15
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo --
Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
I agree with you Alicia...
My fathers' cousin Angel
Ramirez, and his wife Katy,
gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny
Ramirez.
The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5",
brown eyes,
and long beautiful black hair. Her twin
brother growth was cut shot, just
under 4 feet, green
eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took
a
while to figure that one. No one thought they were
siblings. I believe
many people do not understand what
they are really asking, assuming that it
is just a
matter of people having similar physical appearance.
However,
since physical appearance is influenced by
environmental factors, and not
just genetics, people
can actually look very differently.
Jose
Munoz
--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...>
wrote:
> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
>
assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their
looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the
inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son who is very
dark
> and has a blonde blue eyed son. I have a daughter
> that is
not so dark and has beautiful brown eyed,
> black haired beautiful
girls. Looks, eye color and
> skin color don't always tell the full
story.
>
> Alicia
>
> Emilie Garcia
<auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Irma--
>
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. It
> is my
husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light
haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco. The
photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears
a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his
great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes. I have
> traced some of the
Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family that were from Rincon de
Romos. My
> husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia
married
> Anna Cleta Calzada. Marciana Cervantes was
>
descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> married Maria Maxima
Duron; they were also from
> Rincon de Romos. In between there
were Aguirres,
> Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.
The
> closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one
>
Roman.
>
> I was just amazed that someone surnamed
Romo from
> Jalostitlan could look so much like my husband's
>
Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> Jalisco.
People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
> be inter-related. They
also look different from the
> people I saw in Jerez when I went there
in the
> 1960's with my father. It seems my husband's
>
ancestors were always merchants or military, or
> religious, etc. (town
people) and were not laborers
> on the ranchos like my ancestors.
That leads me to
> believe that the Spaniards were more educated
than
> the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
> authority and
in commerce rather than laboring in
> the fields and
ranches.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
---
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Irma GomezLucero
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
>
Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
>
>
> Santo Toribio
has many of the features that are
> commonly seen in Romos even of
today. My aunt
> married a Romo, and many of my cousins have
a
> striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
> eyes-whether
they be brown/green/blue) to Santo
> Toribio. Since they haven't
done any research, I've
> been trying to figure out any connections for
them.
> In doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of
>
the family to Santo Toribio's mother who is NOT a
> Romo. This is
how I came to "meet" John G. I still
> have more work to do on my
Romos & my cousin's. I
> also thought that my Santa Ana Romos
would tie into
> Rincon de Romos. My cousins claim that their
father
> often told them they weren't related to the Romos of
>
Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis Potosi. I
> just think
that their features are a bit too much to
> ignore. Gotta go and
dig some more....
> Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo
too,
> and that you tied into the Romos in Rincon de
Romos?
> Just wondering... I know there are still
many
> there but haven't been able to tie mine in ...
>
Irma
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
> Alberto Duarte
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15
AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio
Romo -- Mexico's
> Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
>
>
>
> It's called faith and we have it.
>
>
Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
>
> ---
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html>
>
>
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I had never
heard of the saint you are related to,
> > so I started browsing the
internet for information
> > on him, and I found this interesting
article
> (check
> > link above). What was fascinating to
me is the
> > picture of Toribio Romo. He bears a
striking
> > resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
>
> great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was from
> >
Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco and whose ancestors
> I
> > have
traced to Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes
> > which is just south
of our areas of interest in
> > Zacatecas.
> >
> > How lucky you are to have traced your ancestors
>
back
> > to 1550; I've been working so hard for over five
>
> YEARS and have only found our people back to the
> > early
1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps
> guiding
> > you?
The article goes into a deep discussion
> about
> > guardian
angels, etc. all the way back in history
> > even before the
Hebrews.
> >
> > May Santo Toribio help us all in
meeting our goals
> > as he has helped others of our people.
>
>
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA ---
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
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