----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:13
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Naming
Patterns
Hello, I see a lot of explanations for this " naming
pattern". I know in some cases that I have personally seen,
i.e. A. father does'nt marry the mother - the son/daughter will
decide to carry the mothers name.
B. father abandons mother and
family - children decide to carry mothers name instead
of fathers.
C. father committs a crime - Family decides
to carry mothers name instead, to avoid stigma in society
D. father has mulitiple children out
of wedlock - mother and/or children decide to carry maternal name.
E. even if father comes back to claim children,
mother and or children will not permit name change, back or to fathers name.
F. Might not be fathers fault at all
G. Maybe influential parents, Grandparents
registered the child with out the fathers permission in the maternal name and
not the parental, for what ever the reason might be.
H. I know of one instance that the maternal
parents only had one daughter, and no sons, so that the maternal name woul go
on, the father agreed to have one son's name be that of the mothers, so the
maternal name could go on. the father having many brothers and his parents
name would go on.
Just some general comments.
Arnoldo Garcia
Jose
Macias <usa20@...> wrote:
Angie; Though I can see the logic of what
you say you may have read, I have never seen this to be the case in taking
the surname of the wife.
As you know, the child of Hector Garcia
and Rosa Mendez would be for example Carlita Garcia Mendez. I have
never seen a man change his name to Hector Mendez. It is not true in
Mexico, Central America or South America, is it true maybe in Spain or
Portugal ? A family name is very important and I have never seen a
case where a man would change his surname to that of his wife's
father. I wonder where you read this ? Traditionally the woman keeps
her maiden name in that way even after marriage.
I know about the variations in the
spelling of names. I have seen some very strange attempts to spell
Indian names by phonetics.
Anyway, I found your entry very
enlightening and will remember to keep it in mind as I look over the records
from now on. If you will tell me where you have seen this practice, it
would help me very much.
Jose L. Macias
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:12
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Naming
Patterns
I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I
tried looking
for my source for this information}, that if the wife's
family was of
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using
measurements during
that time period}, then the males in the family
took the wife's
surname which would then pass to their children.
And the females
took the husband's surname which would get passed to
their children
as the secondary surname.
In terms of
mispellings or spelling variations. Again, I read
somewhere, the
person recording the name tended to be more educated
then the general
people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him
to ask how to
spell a name to someone who was less educated them he.
The
ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than
likely
even those people who did know how to write, were probably
still not
asked the correct way to spell their name.
just me two
cents...
Angie
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