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Re: [ranchos] Re: Naming Patterns

 
Hello,  I see a lot of explanations for this " naming pattern".  I know in some cases that I have personally seen,
i.e. A. father does'nt marry the mother - the son/daughter will decide to carry the mothers name. 
     B. father abandons mother and family - children decide to carry mothers name instead of fathers.
     C. father committs a crime - Family decides to carry mothers name instead, to avoid stigma in society
     D. father has mulitiple children out of wedlock - mother and/or children decide to carry maternal name.
     E. even if father comes back to claim children, mother and or children will not permit name change, back or to fathers name.
     F. Might not be fathers fault at all
     G. Maybe influential parents, Grandparents registered the child with out the fathers permission in the maternal name and not the parental, for what ever the reason might be.
     H. I know of one instance that the maternal parents only had one daughter, and no sons, so that the maternal name woul go on, the father agreed to have one son's name be that of the mothers, so the maternal name could go on. the father having many brothers and his parents name would go on.
Just some general comments.
Arnoldo Garcia
     
         

Jose Macias <usa20@...> wrote:
Angie;  Though I can see the logic of what you say you may have read, I have never seen this to be the case in taking the surname of the wife. 
  As you know, the child of Hector Garcia and Rosa Mendez would be for example Carlita Garcia Mendez.  I have never seen a man change his name to Hector Mendez.  It is not true in Mexico, Central America or  South America, is it true maybe in Spain or Portugal ?  A family name is very important and I have never seen a case where a man would change his surname to that of his wife's father.  I wonder where you read this ? Traditionally the woman keeps her maiden name in that way even after marriage. 
  I know about the variations in the spelling of names. I have seen some very strange attempts to spell Indian names by phonetics.
  Anyway, I found your entry very enlightening and will remember to keep it in mind as I look over the records from now on.  If you will tell me where you have seen this practice, it would help me very much.
 
Jose L. Macias
----- Original Message -----
From: aajay1073
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:12 PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Naming Patterns

I read somewhere, {and I can't remember where, but I tried looking
for my source for this information}, that if the wife's family was of
a higher status or surname was 'better' {in using measurements during
that time period}, then the males in the family took the wife's
surname which would then pass to their children.  And the females
took the husband's surname which would get passed to their children
as the secondary surname.

In terms of mispellings or spelling variations.  Again, I read
somewhere, the person recording the name tended to be more educated
then the general people. Therefore, it would have been 'beneath' him
to ask how to spell a name to someone who was less educated them he. 
The ability to read and write was not wide spread, but more than
likely even those people who did know how to write, were probably
still not asked the correct way to spell their name.

just me two cents...

Angie




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