Re: Ramos and Cardenas Familes

["aajay1073" <aajay1073@...>]

Peggy,

Are Maria Manuela's parents, Juan Domingo RAMOS and Feliciana 
Victoria CARDENAS?

If so, here is their marriage record:

JUAN DOMINGO RAMOS
  Male
Groom's Parents:
  Father:  DIEGO DE SANTIAGO
  Mother:  BERNARDA DE CASAS
Marriages:
  Spouse:  FELICIANA VICTORIA DE CARDENAS
  Marriage:  15 FEB 1733   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Bride's Parents:
  Father:  BARTHOLOME DE CARDENAS
  Mother:  CATARINA MORILLO
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.: 
 M604651  1720 - 1751  0443781

Here are some of their children:
+ LUIS BELTRAN CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1737 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 
+ MARIA DE LA CONCEPON. RAMOS CARDENAS
Gender: Female Christening: 14 FEB 1740 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 
+ CLEMENTE CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1747 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico 
+ PETRA CARDENAS
Gender: Female Christening: 13 MAY 1757 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico 
+ JOSEPH ALVINO RAMOS CARDENAS
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1759 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico 

Perhaps here is Maria Manuela's christening (there are no surnames 
listed but all the first names match up and time period):
MARIA MANUELA
  Female
Event(s):
 Christening:  07 APR 1750   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
  Father:  JUAN DOMINGO
  Mother:  FELICIANA
Messages:
 Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the 
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by 
the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 C602862  1744 - 1755  0443672

I have some additional information on Bartholome DE CARDENAS and 
Catarina Morillo's family if you would like to see it.  I am not 
related to this family, as far as I know, but I have been holding on 
to this information because my 6th great-grand father was Bartholome 
De Cardenas married to Barbara Gutierres during this same time period 
in Colotlan.  I can't imagine there being two Bartholome De Cardenas, 
so I thought perhaps they were the same person and he was a widower 
who remarried.  I haven't been able to prove this theroy since I 
can't find either Bartolome's marriage information.  So it is another 
item on my list of things to do/find/verify, etc.

Just in case...here is my Cardenas info, let me know if you recognize 
any names.

++ Bartholome DE CARDENAS. He married Barbara GUTIERRES.

Their Children were as follows:
i Catharina DE CARDENAS. She married on 19 Jan 1722 in San Luis, 
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juan Mathias DE GAETA.

ii Maria Antonia DE CARDENAS. She married on 29 Jan 1732 in San Luis, 
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Nicolas GODINA, son of Nicolas GODINA and 
Maria Ana DE LAMAS.

iii Francisco DE CARDENAS. He married on 24 May 1734 in Tlaltenango 
De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico Juliana MUNOS LOPEZ, christened 
25 Mar 1720 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico, 
daughter of Joseph MUNOS and Melchora de los Reies LOPEZ BRAVO.

iv Maria Rosa DE CARDENAS. She married on 6 Oct 1735 in San Luis, 
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Miguel FERNANDEZ, son of Nicolas FERNANDEZ 
and Josepha TOSTADO.

v Juan Mathias DE CARDENAS. He married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis, 
Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Luiza Theresa MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS, 
daughter of Francisco MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA 
ROSA.

vi Christobal de los Santos DE CARDENAS. He married on 12 Jun 1740 in 
San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Antonia Petronila MARQUES 
RAMIREZ, christened 12 Jul 1719 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico, daughter of Francisco MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS and Theresa 
RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA.

The last two children, are brothers that married sisters in a double 
wedding cermony.

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Hey!  I, just recently, found that I DO have a connection in 
Totatiche........I have ancestors, Jose Leonisio Hernandes married 
Maria Manuela Ramos married in Totatiche on 04/271768.  Although I 
can't find Maria Manuela's record of birth there, I have a record for 
her brother and sister: Joseph Alvino Ramos, born 03/12/1759 and 
Maria Martina Ramos, born 11/14/1756.
> I also have  a record for Jose Leonisio's sister, Maria Guadalupe 
Hernandes, born 12/26/1755.
> 
> Can I add these new limbs to my file?  I can't remember if there's 
room!
> 
> Also, this Tuxpan you mentioned, is there many, or only 
one "Tuxpan".  My mother-in-law, who's maiden name is Padilla, says 
that her great-grandfather was from here, and she mentioned him being 
some sort "alcalde" or mayor and that t here was a statue of 
him...was there some sort of statue in Tuxpan of a man who's last 
name would be Padilla?  Or is that another Tuxpan?  I really haven't 
researched my husbands family yet, but I enjoy talking with my mother-
in-law, who is 79, in the hopes of starting my husbands tree.
> 
> Peggy