Relationships in Spanish

["v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...>]

Joseph,

Among the people I know, it is common to hear about "Abuelos",
"Bisabuelos" and "Tatarabuelos".  Beyond that, I've never heard those
greek prefixes like tetra, penta, hexa, etc. attached to the word
"abuelo" but rather the ordinal numbers cuarto, quinto, sexto, etc. or
its numerical equivalent 4to., 5to., 6to., etc.

However, there's some confusion on the numbering system depending on
if you're counting the "abuelos" or the "bisabuelos".  For example, my
genealogy software (In English) uses the following nomenclature, which
I have paired with its Spanish equivalent:

Grandparent = Abuelo
Great Grandparent = Bisabuelo or 2do. Abuelo
2nd. Great Grandparent = Tatarabuelo or 3er. Abuelo or 2do. Bisabuelo
3rd. Great Grandparent = 4to. Abuelo or 3er. Bisabuelo
And so on.

The convention in Spanish is to count the "abuelos", but if you're
doing a translation of, let's say, 3rd. Great Grandparent you have to
be careful and translate it either as 3er. Bisabuelo or 4to. Abuelo.

 I hope this isn't even more confusing!

Victor

p.s. Remember than in Spanish ordinal numbers have gender so you would
say octavo abuelo and octava abuela. "o" ending for male; "a" ending
for female.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
> > OK, then, Joseph,
> >  
> > How do you write and pronounce all those subsequent generations:   
> > primera, secunda, tercera,  (I don't know how to say the rest). 
Also, 
> > why is pentabuelo listed as antepasado de 6th generation when "pent" 
> > means "five" to me.  It looks like the pentabuelo should go with
"5th". 
> 
> well if you look at it in the Spanish the father is the first 
> generation, the grandfather is the 1st grandfather but the 2nd 
> generation, the g-Grandfather is the 2nd grandfather (Bis) but the 3rd 
> generation, the GG grandfather is the 3rd grandfather (Tatara) but the 
> 4th generation, etc.
> 
> I would like more feedback from the group is these designations are 
> being currently used in Mexico? I mean I talked with Luz Montejano and 
> she seemed to indicate that this was the old style and not in current 
> use. Then again maybe I didn't quite understand correctly.
> 
> joseph
> 
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA --
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Joseph Puentes <mailto:makas@n...>
> >     To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> >     Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 5:04 PM
> >     Subject: Re: [ranchos] PLACING RELATIVES
> >
> >     my email address is makas@n... but just call me Joseph
> >     because makas means scissors and isn't my name.
> >
> >     As far as I know there isn't any generally accepted alternative to
> >     the Grandfather, Great Grandfather, Great Great Grandfather, etc
> >     designations.
> >
> >     there is this in spanish:
> >
> >     http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7215/generaciones.htm
> >
> >     1.   Padre
> >     2.   Abuelo, antepasado de 2ª generación
> >     3.   Bisabuelo o Segundo abuelo, antepasado de 3ª generación
> >     4.   Tatarabuelo o Tercer  abuelo o Trasbisabuelo o
Transbisabuelo o
> >           Rebisabuelo o Trasabuelo o Tresabuelo, antepasado de 4ª
> >     generación
> >     5.   Trastatarabuelo o Cuadriabuelo o Cuatriabuelo o Chozno,
> >     antepasado de 5ª generación
> >     6.   Pentabuelo, antepasado de 6ª generación
> >     7.   Hexabuelo, antepasado de 7ª generación
> >     8.   Heptabuelo, antepasado de 8ª generación
> >     9.   Octabuelo, antepasado de 9ª generación
> >     10. Eneabuelo o Nonabuelo, antepasado de 10ª generación
> >     11. Decabuelo, antepasado de 11ª generación
> >
> >     joseph
> >
> >
> >     lili pinzon wrote:
> >
> >> DEAR MAKAS:
> >>
> >>  IS THERE A SYSTEM OTHER THEN USING THE "GREAT" WORD TO NUMBER 
> >> SITUATION IN THE LINE? WOULD IT BE CORRECT, INSTEAD, TO NUMBER AS
> >>  FALLOWS: SON, FATHER-MOTHER, GRANDPARENTS, GREAT-GRANDPARENTS, AND
> >> THEN MENTION THEM AS THIRD-GRANDPARENTS, FOURTH-GRANDPARENTS AND
> >> SO FORTH? I THINK THAT WAY IT'S EASIER TO VIEW THEIR PLACES IN THE
> >>
> >> GENS LINE.
> >>
> >>                                  LETICIA LEON MORALES
> >>                                  AKA LILI PINZON