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Arturo Ramos wrote:
I suppose I would just have to have the DNA test done myself
yes if your father's father's father's father etc ends up being Joseph
Ramon then your Y-DNA testing would be what you would compare to an
Aranzazu that you know comes from another of Bartolome Aranzazu's male
children that is wearing that name today. Like I said its a long shot
but one that would establish whether or not both my idea or the other
idea someone suggested might be true. If you shared the same Y-DNA then
you'd be back at a brick wall but at least you'd know which surname to
concentrate your research on.
joseph
(as
Joseph Ramon is my strictly-paternal ancestor) and then find a male
descendant of Bartolome ARANZAZU who is his descendant strictly down
the paternal line, i.e. probably any male that has the ARANZAZU last
name.
That should not be THAT difficult as it is a pretty rare name and
most likely anyone around El Teul or Tlaltenango who has that name
today is descendant from Bartolome or his brother Francisco Xavier.
A match to either of them would show that I am actually a descendant
as well, right? I have already begun mapping the ARANZAZU of
Zacatecas family tree so I can probably confirm whether the volunteer
is descendant of these men or not.
What sort of information is kept in the Informacion Matrimonial?
Bartolome ARANZAZU was married to Juana de ARO in 1752 in Tlaltenango
and there is a film... Información matrimonial 1742-1753 VAULT INTL
Film 443846... There is also a Census... Padrones 1754-1780 FHL
INTL Film 1219415.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
Well I really don't know how to proceed. But lets think outside the
box
for a second and really reeeeach for straw. Suppose that this
orphan
child was only an orphan to cover up an indiscreet pregnancy from
an
unmarried sister/prima of Don Bartolome Aranzazu. That was a far
reach
wasn't it? Well anyway if you could find an Aranzazu relative from
your
Ramon's downline that is currently wearing the Aranzazu name and
another
that you know is directly through one of Don Bartolome's other
son's you
could do Y-DNA on them to eliminate this ever so slight
possibility.
Sorry to offer so little, but was the only thing I could think of.
joseph
ps: Also try to find the "Informacion Matrimonial" for Ramon as you
never know but there might be additional clues given. Confirmation
records? Death record?
Arturo Ramos wrote:
Ramon, it says, is an "expuesto en las puertas de Don
Bartolome Aranzazu." Since he was left at the doorstep, I guess
his
parents are unknown, and I think your brick wall is now truly
high.
There is a chance that you can find his baptism record, but that
would
take some work. Sorry about this news.
Also if anyone has any ideas as to how his son ended up getting
the
name RAMOS (Benito RAMOS)... My guess is that son of Ramon
(orphan) led
to RAMOS, though his other children seem to have gotten the name
ARANZAZU.
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