Re: Help with an orphan

["Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...>]

I suppose I would just have to have the DNA test done myself (as 
Joseph Ramon is my strictly-paternal ancestor) and then find a male 
descendant of Bartolome ARANZAZU who is his descendant strictly down 
the paternal line, i.e. probably any male that has the ARANZAZU last 
name.

That should not be THAT difficult as it is a pretty rare name and 
most likely anyone around El Teul or Tlaltenango who has that name 
today is descendant from Bartolome or his brother Francisco Xavier.  
A match to either of them would show that I am actually a descendant 
as well, right?  I have already begun mapping the ARANZAZU of 
Zacatecas family tree so I can probably confirm whether the volunteer 
is descendant of these men or not.

What sort of information is kept in the Informacion Matrimonial?  
Bartolome ARANZAZU was married to Juana de ARO in 1752 in Tlaltenango 
and there is a film... Información matrimonial 1742-1753  VAULT INTL 
Film 443846...  There is also a Census... Padrones 1754-1780  FHL 
INTL Film 1219415.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> Well I really don't know how to proceed. But lets think outside the 
box 
> for a second and really reeeeach for straw. Suppose that this 
orphan 
> child was only an orphan to cover up an indiscreet pregnancy from 
an 
> unmarried sister/prima of Don Bartolome Aranzazu. That was a far 
reach 
> wasn't it? Well anyway if you could find an Aranzazu relative from 
your 
> Ramon's downline that is currently wearing the Aranzazu name and 
another 
> that you know is directly through one of Don Bartolome's other 
son's you 
> could do Y-DNA on them to eliminate this ever so slight 
possibility. 
> Sorry to offer so little, but was the only thing I could think of.
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Also try to find the "Informacion Matrimonial" for Ramon as you 
> never know but there might be additional clues given. Confirmation 
> records? Death record?
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >Ramon, it says, is an "expuesto en las puertas de Don 
> >Bartolome Aranzazu."  Since he was left at the doorstep, I guess 
his 
> >parents are unknown, and I think your brick wall is now truly 
high.  
> >There is a chance that you can find his baptism record, but that 
would 
> >take some work.  Sorry about this news.
> >
> >Also if anyone has any ideas as to how his son ended up getting 
the 
> >name RAMOS (Benito RAMOS)... My guess is that son of Ramon 
(orphan) led 
> >to RAMOS, though his other children seem to have gotten the name 
> >ARANZAZU.
> >  
> >