Re: [ranchos] Alberto Duarte and the St. Xavier catholic church in El Paso

[Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>]

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
neighborhood and search for them.  

Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.

As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you
can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my
Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,
Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other
parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my
greatggggfather was probably the patriarch of the
Duarte clan in Zacatecas!

Use the Mormon library to gather your genealogical
information.  Get a microfiche copy of all the Macias
in Zacatecas and start researching them one by one,
starting with those with the same first and last name
of your grandfather's.  

Don't over look any Macias, no matter what part of
Zacatecas they came from.  Believe me, the chance of
you being related to them is very good.  

Good luck.

Also, please let me know if I can help you in any way.

--- zendean <usa20@...> wrote:

Albeto.

> Alberto;
> 
>     What an interesting memory!  My Grandparents,
> (Feliciano and Rosa 
> Macias) donated the land to the church on which St.
> Xavier Catholic church 
> was built. Most of my aunts and uncles were married
> there. I was looking for 
> a relative and found the name in the records of
> marriage there. My Aunt 
> Aurora told me that it was not surprising and that I
> would find her and her 
> sisters there also. That was news to me.
> 
>     My grandparents lived and died there in El Paso.
> My Macias line starts 
> there for me and it was nice to see your entry about
> that area. My dad, 
> Felix Macias, met and married my mom here in Los
> Angeles. I have never been 
> to El Paso, though most all of my branch of the
> Macias line still lives 
> there. I don't know where my El Paso relatives live
> there and know no one 
> there that could tell me where to look. I have a
> brick wall where it comes 
> to my great grand father -Francisco Macias because
> he is from somewhere in 
> Zacatecas. He had a ranch/farm there and that is all
> my aunt Aurora could 
> remember from her childhood.
> 
>     Anyway, I liked reading your recollections and
> hope you will respond to 
> my posting. I do extraction of records for our
> church and have little time 
> lately to trace my family. As soon as I finish the
> 4,000 + names to be 
> extracted, I will start again. I am thinking that if
> I pay $500 to the 
> company called Legacy in Utah that I may get some
> good help and direction. 
> Have you heard of them ? If so, what did you hear ?
> 
> For now, good hunting and I wish you happiness.
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Duarte" <albertodua@...>
> To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Pinole
> 
> 
> >
> > We lived in a one room apartment near Washington
> Park,
> > across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church.
> > The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
> > bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were
> a
> > very poor family, there were six of us counting my
> > grandmother.
> >
> > El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities
> for
> > Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the
> Los
> > Angeles. There were many families from El Paso
> that
> > moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s,
> including
> > one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a
> couple
> > of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given
> the
> > opportunity.
> >
> > Alberto.
> > --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I
> lived
> >> across from Sacred
> >> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of
> my
> >> life.  As a kid, I
> >> hated going across the border because it was so
> >> unfamiliar to be and
> >> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> >> beggars, and the
> >> language.  I was always afraid, although no one
> >> would have harmed me
> >> but that's how I was then.  Now, I can appreciate
> >> everything about it,
> >> including the interesting architecture.  Marge:)
> >>
> >> On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Good and sad times:
> >> >  We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in
> the
> >> >  early '50s. My mom would buy dry goods which
> >> were
> >> >  really expensive for us to buy in the United
> >> States
> >> >  (Los Angeles). Would you believe that we also
> >> >  purchased young parrots and smuggled them
> across
> >> to El
> >> >  Paso! Later on this turned out to be a sad
> >> >  remembrance for me, when I found out that
> >> thousands,
> >> >  maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds
> were
> >> >  wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just
> >> because
> >> >  of greed and ignorance.
> >> >
> >> >  Alberto.
> >> >
> >> >  --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >  > When I was a kid, we would cross the border
> >> into
> >> >  > Juarez with my aunts
> >> >  > and mother to go shopping at the Mercado,
> and
> >> one of
> >> >  > the merchants had
> >> >  > a display of pinole. It was sold in paper
> >> >  > cones--sometimes piÃf±ata-type
> >> >  > paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked
> >> it...didn't
> >> >  > get it too often,
> >> >  > though. Marge:)
> >> >  > On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma
> GomezLucero
> >> >  > wrote:
> >> >  >
> >> >  > > Ã, Pinole is great with a little
> milk--sort
> >> of a
> >> >  > mush.Ã, Love it for
> >> >  > > breakfast.Ã, Has anyone heard the
> >> following
> >> >  > expression:
> >> >  > >
> >> >  > > Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, El que tiene mas
> >> saliva, come mas
> >> >  > pinole.
> >> >  > >
> >> >  > >Â Sorry didn't use accents even after the
> >> flood of
> >> >  > emails on the
> >> >  > > subject.Ã, My
> >> >  > >Â engineer and architect cousins from
> Mexico
> >> D.F.
> >> >  > don't either in their
> >> >  > >Â letters to me. When asked about this,
> they
> >> >  > responded that they knew
> >> >  > > how to
> >> >  > >Â pronounce the words without the accents,
> >> etc.,
> >> >  > >
> >> >  > >Â -----Original Message-----
> >> >  > >Â From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]
> >> >  > >Â Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
> >> >  > >Â To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >> >  > >Â Subject: [ranchos] Pinole
> >> >  > >
> >> >  > >Â Talking about food...
> >> >  > >Â I wonder how many of our members have
> heard
> >> of
> >> >  > "Pinole" ? Pinole is a
> >> >  > > high
> >> >  > >Â energy food made from dry roasted corn
> >> ground-up
> >> >  > and mixed with brown
> >> >  > > sugar
> >> >  > >Â (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and
> >> >  > sometimes either lemon or
> >> >  > > orange
> >> >  > >Â peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara
> indians
> >> of
> >> >  > Chihuahua use it as a
> >> >  > > staple
> >> >  > >Â food. Tarahumaras are basically
> >> vegetarians, with
> >> >  > meat accounting for
> >> >  > > about
> >> >  > >Â less than 10% of their diet. They eat
> >> Pinole it
> 
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