Irma, yes, well said. Oh, I forgot to say that my Spanish friend did allude to the fact that when the Moors and Jews were kicked out of Spain, Spain went to pot. When I asked her how so, she said the Jews and Arabs were advanced civilizations who founded the universities in Spain, etc. And a funny thing happened to her (well, she and I thought it funny at the time): we went into a gift shop up here in Bremerton WA once to window shop their Peruvian things, and it was run by an obvious descendant of the Incas. When he heard my friend's fancy Castilian accent, he really lit into her! He started off with "Oh, so you are Espanola. Do you know what your people did to mine?" He proceeded to tell her off royally, listing all the injuries the conquistadores had heaped on his people. She just said simply, "Well, I personally did not do those things", but he kept on and not only suggested that an apology from her people was in order, but that they should make restitution. I guess he thinks the Spaniards should send back all that gold, ha, ha. She did not apologize for her people, did not buy a thing (she wasn't about to give him any of her gold), whereas I (I have a black belt in shopping) dropped almost $100.00 in there. He made me feel so guilty about my Spanish blood, what there is of it. Saludos, Emilie ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Duarte Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:57 AM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave Irma,well said.
Next time you talk to your spanish friends, ask them
to send back all the gold they stole from Mexico (just
kidding).
Alberto.
--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:
> Hi Emilie,
> I have been enjoying alll of the recent postings
> on racial
> classification. Excuse me for now jumping onto the
> soapbox. :) I hope
> that I don't offend anyone from what I am about to
> say. I just don't like
> hearing ignorant racist remarks about Indians,
> Mexicans, etc., and people
> who feel superior to other ethnic groups. Your
> Spanish friend sounds like
> someone with low self-esteem, (as well as possibly
> uneducated) and in that
> she feels that she should distance herself from
> those that she perceives as
> inferior to herself. Heaven help her poor Mexican
> American husband that has
> to hear such racist comments.
> The Spanish I met in Spain when I travelled
> there are nothing like those
> immigrants from Spain or South America that I have
> sometimes encountered
> here in the USA. They do not view people from
> Mexico like a bunch of
> Indians. In fact, they often remarked about
> Mexico's riches both in the
> Indian Civilizations as well as the gold that their
> churches are filled
> with. They were very warm people who would comment
> on how handsome Pedro
> Infante was when they saw him in concert in their
> youth. Also how the
> foolish Spanish king really screwed up when he
> underestimated the strength
> in the Mexican people during Mexico's independance.
>
> Remember to stand tall. Just a side note to
> your Spanish friend.
> Garbanzos which are a staple for humans in Spain
> (they are often served in
> Basque dishes) are often fed to livestock in Mexico.
> Please educate your
> South American friend too by informing her that Taco
> Bell is not authentic
> Mexican food. I am extremely proud of all my
> bloodlines whether it be
> India, mestizo, mulata, espanola, etc.,
> Okay I'll step down now. Thanks for allowing
> me to get this off my
> chest.
> Irma who hails from Northern California
>
> _____
>
> From: Emilie Garcia
> [mailto:auntyemfaustus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:41 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was
> Moorish or Slave
>
>
> Wow, those charts and photos are mind-boggling. I
> am really getting an
> education.
>
> The mixing of the races in Mexico has led to a
> particular typically Mexican
> look, I think. My husband, who looks white (I call
> him viejo Gachupin pelon
> sordo) calls the typical Mexican the result of the
> Mestizaje. Yet no two
> Mexicans could look more different than he and I, he
> 6 ft, me 5 ft; we could
> have been the Espanol and the Indian pictured in the
> photos. Yet I can trace
> both of our lineages back to the early 1700's in
> Mexico.
>
> My Spanish-Basque friend said that when she met her
> Mexican-American
> serviceman husband in Pamplona (he looks like me)
> she was fascinated by his
> appearance. She said she had never seen anyone with
> the planes of the face
> like mine and his. In profile we have small noses
> in line with the chin and
> forehead, whereas she and my husband have ! the look
> of Europeans, yet
> different. He has a large Roman nose with receded
> chin and forehead in
> profile and he is bald on top yet very hairy arms
> and legs. She looks
> German. Up here in Washington State in an area
> where there are few
> Mexicans, I am at times mistaken for Asian or
> Filipina. I have a hard time
> convincing the Filipinos around here I am not a
> Filipina. One man even
> asked me why I did not want to admit to being
> Filipina!
>
> An interesting thing too about food preferences
> among us: My Spanish-Basque
> friend does not like corn tortillas or Mexican food.
> She prefers bread and
> fish or chicken. She says that corn is only fed to
> animals where she comes
> from. I heard that also from a lady I knew from
> South America. She was
> dismayed that her sons were learning to eat "como
> Indios" since they liked
> Taco Bell tacos and asked her to make some like
> their Mexican friends' moms
> made! .
>
> Also, lately, I feel that it is this typical Mexican
> look, an Indian
> appearance, that makes many Anglo-Americans so
> prejudiced against the aliens
> coming across from south of the border. They are
> being so mean to those
> poor people. American employers continue to depend
> on alien labor for the
> work that many Americans won't stoop to do, and that
> is where the problem
> lies, not with the poor people looking to improve
> their lives.
>
> I am off my soapbox now,
>
> Emilie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lareina2@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:58 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroupscom
> !
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was
> Moorish or Slave
>
> There's a folder for it in Ranchos 2. I found a
> book that gave a little
> background and some pictures. Here's the link, and
> definitely blow up the
> link of the page of classifications so it's
> readable:
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/>
>
>
> Rosalinda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: latina1955@...
> Sent: Jun 23, 2005 1:32 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
>
>
>
> I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this
> stuff called menopause
> - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote
> was a term used to
> describe the mixed blood of Indians and African.
>
> There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it
> here?) that described the
> various labels placed on the mixture of "races"
> during the early part of the
> conquest, when race delineation was seen as
> important by the Spanish. I'll
> keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime,
> perhaps someone else on
> the board has easy access to it for reference?
>
> Esperanza
>
>
> _____
>
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