RE: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave

[Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>]

Irma,well said.

Next time you talk to your spanish friends, ask them
to send back all the gold they stole from Mexico (just
kidding).

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> Hi Emilie,
>     I have been enjoying alll of the recent postings
> on racial
> classification.  Excuse me for now jumping onto the
> soapbox.  :)  I hope
> that I don't offend anyone from what I am about to
> say.  I just don't like
> hearing ignorant racist remarks about Indians,
> Mexicans, etc., and people
> who feel superior to other ethnic groups.  Your
> Spanish friend sounds like
> someone with low self-esteem, (as well as possibly
> uneducated) and in that
> she feels that she should distance herself from
> those that she perceives as
> inferior to herself.  Heaven help her poor Mexican
> American husband that has
> to hear such racist comments.  
>     The Spanish I met in Spain when I travelled
> there are nothing like those
> immigrants from Spain or South America that I have
> sometimes encountered
> here in the USA.  They do not view people from
> Mexico like a bunch of
> Indians.  In fact, they often remarked about
> Mexico's riches both in the
> Indian Civilizations as well as the gold that their
> churches are filled
> with.  They were very warm people who would comment
> on how handsome Pedro
> Infante was when they saw him in concert in their
> youth.  Also how the
> foolish Spanish king really screwed up when he
> underestimated the strength
> in the Mexican people during Mexico's independance. 
> 
>     Remember to stand tall.  Just a side note to
> your Spanish friend.
> Garbanzos which are a staple for humans in Spain
> (they  are often served in
> Basque dishes) are often fed to livestock in Mexico.
>  Please educate your
> South American friend too by informing her that Taco
> Bell is not authentic
> Mexican food.  I am extremely proud of all my
> bloodlines whether it be
> India, mestizo, mulata, espanola, etc.,
>     Okay I'll step down now.   Thanks for allowing
> me to get this off my
> chest.
> Irma who hails from Northern California
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Emilie Garcia
> [mailto:auntyemfaustus@...] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:41 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was
> Moorish or Slave
> 
> 
> Wow, those charts and photos are mind-boggling.  I
> am really getting an
> education.  
>  
> The mixing of the races in Mexico has led to a
> particular typically Mexican
> look, I think.  My husband, who looks white (I call
> him viejo Gachupin pelon
> sordo) calls the typical Mexican the result of the
> Mestizaje.  Yet no two
> Mexicans could look more different than he and I, he
> 6 ft, me 5 ft; we could
> have been the Espanol and the Indian pictured in the
> photos. Yet I can trace
> both of our lineages back to the early 1700's in
> Mexico.  
>  
>  My Spanish-Basque friend said that when she met her
> Mexican-American
> serviceman husband in Pamplona (he looks like me)
> she was fascinated by his
> appearance.  She said she had never seen anyone with
> the planes of the face
> like mine and his.  In profile we have small noses
> in line with the chin and
> forehead, whereas she and my husband have ! the look
> of Europeans, yet
> different.  He has a large Roman nose with receded
> chin and forehead in
> profile and he is bald on top yet very hairy arms
> and legs.  She looks
> German.  Up here in Washington State in an area
> where there are few
> Mexicans, I am at times mistaken for Asian or
> Filipina.  I have a hard time
> convincing the Filipinos around here I am not a
> Filipina.  One man even
> asked me why I did not want to admit to being
> Filipina!
>  
> An interesting thing too about food preferences
> among us:  My Spanish-Basque
> friend does not like corn tortillas or Mexican food.
>  She prefers bread and
> fish or chicken.  She says that corn is only fed to
> animals where she comes
> from.  I heard that also from a lady I knew from
> South America.  She was
> dismayed that her sons were learning to eat "como
> Indios" since they liked
> Taco Bell tacos and asked her to make some like
> their Mexican friends' moms
> made! .  
>  
> Also, lately, I feel that it is this typical Mexican
> look, an Indian
> appearance, that makes many Anglo-Americans so
> prejudiced against the aliens
> coming across from south of the border.  They are
> being so mean to those
> poor people. American employers continue to depend
> on alien labor for the
> work that many Americans won't stoop to do, and that
> is where the problem
> lies, not with the poor people looking to improve
> their lives.
>  
> I am off my soapbox now,
>  
>    Emilie
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lareina2@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:58 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> ! 
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications was
> Moorish or Slave
>  
> There's a folder for it in Ranchos 2.  I found a
> book that gave a little
> background and some pictures.  Here's the link, and
> definitely blow up the
> link of the page of classifications so it's
> readable:
>  
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/>
> 
>  
> Rosalinda
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: latina1955@... 
> Sent: Jun 23, 2005 1:32 AM 
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave 
> 
> 
> 
> I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this
> stuff called menopause
> - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote
> was a term used to
> describe the mixed blood of Indians and African.  
>  
> There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it
> here?) that described the
> various labels placed on the mixture of "races"
> during the early part of the
> conquest, when race delineation was seen as
> important by the Spanish.  I'll
> keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime,
> perhaps someone else on
> the board has easy access to it for reference?
>  
> Esperanza
> 
> 
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