Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave

[Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>]

Comments:
I really don't believe 99% of the Mexican people know
their blood line(s)and/or the names of their
ancestors.

I've asked people from both sides (Mexico/US) if they
knew their blood lines or if they knew the names of
their great grandfathers, and most of them answered
"they didn't know."

As far as what was written on a baptism record,
regarding race type, I wouldn't put much believe in
it.

Alberto. 

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
wrote:

> In matters of race in the church records from Mexico
> I don't think the people being recorded had any idea
> what was being put in the record for nationality.  I
> have in one family, Mejia from the District of
> Jerez, 5 children with 4 different nationalities
> listed.  Mother is listed as Espanol, father is
> listed as Indio. Their children are listed as 1.
> Espanol, 2. Mulato, 3, Indio, 4 Mestiso and 5.
> Espanol... I have to assume some children were
> darker than others so the scribe made the decision
> what nationality they were making the records
> unreliable as to nationality.  Also it would be to
> the advantage of the family to have a child listed
> as Espanol so I wonder if bribes were ever paid to
> insure the record would read Espanol.. just a
> thought.
> Linda
> 
> Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
> Joseph,
>  
> I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to
> me, was one like the ancestors of the
> African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil.  In facial
> features and body type they look to me like the
> tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of
> Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians
> and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were
> descended from.  I heard of stories of Moors who
> came to the New World with the Conquistadores.  I
> didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured
> servants who could be freed.  I have seen the
> descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as
> Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not
> in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could
> identify.  They were all (until 1821) identified as
> Espanol.  After 1821, there are no descriptions as
> to race.  In my family it is known that my mother's
> side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's
> time.  He was born around 1854, and my father told
> me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not
> dark or
>  curly-haired like his cousins.
>  
> I couldn't figure out what "coyote" meant.  I guess
> it means "Native"?  I also have seen Yndio Genizaro
> as a description.  Wonder what that means.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:11 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
>  
> 
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
>   So Joseph, you are not really descended from an
> African slave
> I really couldn't say one way or the other. the
> MtDNA results are my maternal  (mom's mom's mom's
> mom's) side and I have no documented records past my
> grandmother. . .in fact I didn't know her name until
> recently: Antonia Lopez from somewhere in Jalisco. 
> 
> But on my paternal side going out to some GGGG
> grandparents some are identified in baptism records
> as mestizo, coyote, mulatto, and negro. 
> , but maybe from someone with Moorish or Arab blood.
>  The Moors were the powers in Spain only until
> shortly before the ancestors of the current
> Spaniards had kicked them and the Jews and Arabs
> out.  A Spanish friend from the Basque country told
> me she was proud not to be "hija de moro ni de
> indio".  (She can't help it- the Basques are very
> proud).  
>  
> I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque,
> because he told me so.
>
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&yr=0&ln=Olague
> 
> Olagüe63191
> http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html
> 
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