Re: [ranchos] Re: Victor (Villarreal in Zacatecas, etc.)

[Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>]

Regarding Coat of Arms:
I understand to use a "Coat of Arms" emblem, one has
to have proof that he/she is a direct descendant of a
person that was entitled to use that Coat of Arms.

I've seen a number of Coat of Arms for both sides of
my family, but I do not have proof that any one of my
families were ever entitled to use or claim them.

Alberto.




--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Esperanza,
> >
> >Well, it is not so much that this conversation
> would be boring to other members as it is that it
> could easily drift away from the main area of
> interest of the Ranchos group.  Anyway, just to
> reply to your previous post, here are a couple of
> comments.
> >
> >I still don't have a full picture of all the
> historical events related to the first Villarreales
> in "the New Spain".  I know the first Villarreales
> that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in
> mining for precious metals along with other
> historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and
> Martin de Zavala.  I believe the first mining sites
> in Mexico were located in the center of the country
> and there was a gradual movement in search of new
> sites in practically every direction.  Many of the
> settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru
> Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on
> their way up north.  I believe such is the case for
> Diego de Villarreal.
> >
> >As you know, there are some Villarreales among the
> passenger list of some of the very first ships from
> Spain.  And in my Internet searches I've come across
> some very old legal document from the early 1600's
> that mention some Villarreal in México City.  That's
> the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears
> in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which
> means that there were some other Villarreales down
> south.  I will try to locate that document, as I
> remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk. 
> There are very few historical documents with
> references to the surname Villarreal from the early
> colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle
> together.  It is just a couple of years since I
> started getting interested in this subject and don't
> have as much time to dedicate to this research as I
> would like.  Well, you know how it is, but I hope
> that in time I can collect more bits and pieces of
> our history.
> >
> >Regarding Danny, the first thing that I find
> objectionable is the coat of arms that he displays
> on his web page as the Villarreal coat of arms. 
> Coat of arms are not passed on to just anyone with
> the same name .
> >
> 
> yes I've heard the same. If you are not familiar
> with this series of 
> books you should have a look at the write up on
> Villareal. I just 
> learned from Lydia's report on the films at Westwood
> that this series of 
> books is available on film via the FHC close to you
> [sadly but not for 
> Villareal it looks like]:
> 
> http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html
> 
> Query results for: VILLARREAL&SUBMIT2=SUBMIT Name 
> Vol. 	Page
> Villacampa 	2 	118
> Villamil 	2 	152
> Villareal 	2 	106
> Villaverde 	2 	136
> Villaviciosa 	2 	133
> Villela 	2 	112
> Villela 	2 	146
> 
> 
> Title
> Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos
> españoles y americanos
> 
> Stmnt.Resp.
> por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa
> 
> Authors
> García Carraffa, Alberto, 1882-ca. 1963 (Main
> Author)
> García Carraffa, Arturo, 1885-ca. 1940 (Added
> Author)
> 
> Notes
> Microfilme del original publicado: Madrid : Impr. de
> Antonio Marzo, 
> Nueva Impr. Radio ; Salamanca : Impr. Comercial
> Salmantina, 1920- 1956.
> Titulillo: Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica;
> diccionario de apellidos.
> Los volúmenes del 77 al 86 de los autores Arturo y
> Alberto García 
> Carraffa y los volúmenes del 87 al 101 de la autora
> Endika de Mogrobejo 
> que completa la collección, no han sido microfilmado
> por los derechos de 
> autor. Sin embargo se encuentran físicamente
> disponibles en la 
> Biblioteca de Historia Familiar en Salt Lake City
> bajo el número de 
> referencia 946 D6gc.
> Heraldic and genealogical dictionary of Spanish and
> Spanish American 
> surnames.
> Cada tomo incluye índice.
> 
> Subjects
> Spain - Heraldry
> Spain - Names, Personal
> Latin America - Heraldry
> Latin America - Names, Personal
> Central America - Heraldry
> Central America - Names, Personal
> Mexico - Heraldry
> Mexico - Names, Personal
> Names, Spanish
> 
> Format
> Books/Monographs (On Film)
> 
> Language
> Spanish
> 
> Publication
> Austin, Texas : Filmado por Golightly-Payne-Coon,
> 1957
> 
> Physical
> en 11 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.
> 
> Series
> Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica
> hispano-americana : t. 3-78
> 
> References
> (Continued By) Diccionario hispanoamericano de
> heráldica, onomástica y 
> genealogía
> (Other edition) Diccionario heráldico y genealógico
> de apellidos 
> españoles y americanos
> 
> Film Notes
> Note - Location [Film]
> t. 1 (Aanda) - t. 5 (Alzuru) -  VAULT INTL Film [
> 35112 ]
> t. 6 (Allado) - t. 12 (Basani) -  VAULT INTL Film [
> 35113 ]
> t. 13 (Basanta) - t. 19 (Campani) -  VAULT INTL Film
> [ 35114 ]
> t. 20 (Campano) - t. 26 (Desportell) -  VAULT INTL
> Film [ 35115 ]
> t. 27 (Despou) - t. 33 (Franco) -  VAULT INTL Film [
> 35116 ]
> t. 34 (Francolí) - t. 40 (Haro) -  VAULT INTL Film [
> 35117 ]
> t. 41 (Hartos) - t. 47 (Lazcamburu) -  FHL INTL Film
> [ 35118 ]
> t. 48 (Lazcano) - t. 54 (Mesares) -  VAULT INTL Film
> [ 35119 ]
> t. 55 (Mescua) - t. 6l (Olcina) -  VAULT INTL Film [
> 35120 ]
> t. 62 (Olcinellas) - t. 68 (Pérez de Arramendia) - 
> VAULT INTL Film [ 
> 35121 ]
> t. 69 (Pérez de Arroyo) - t. 76 (Rizo) -  FHL INTL
> Film [ 35122 ]
> 
> © 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights
> reserved.
> ===================
> ===================
> looks like you'd need the book # Villalómez a
> Villavante -- v. 97 [i.e. 
> 11]. That being the "seeming" case then I don't
> understand why that 
> website has it listed as volume 2 p106. . .i don't
> know.
> 
> Title
> Diccionario hispanoamericano de heráldica,
> onomástica y genealogía : 
> adición al "Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de
> apellidos españoles y 
> americanos", por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa
> 
> Stmnt.Resp.
> por Endika de Mogrobejo, con la colaboración de
> Aitziber, Irantzu y 
> Garikoitz de Mogrobejo-Zabala
> 
> Authors
> Mogrobejo, Endika de (Main Author)
> 
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