Victor Villarreal wrote:
Esperanza,
Well, it is not so much that this conversation would be boring to other members as it is that it could easily drift away from the main area of interest of the Ranchos group. Anyway, just to reply to your previous post, here are a couple of comments.
I still don't have a full picture of all the historical events related to the first Villarreales in "the New Spain". I know the first Villarreales that settled in Northeast Mexico were involved in mining for precious metals along with other historical characters as Bernabé de las Casas and Martin de Zavala. I believe the first mining sites in Mexico were located in the center of the country and there was a gradual movement in search of new sites in practically every direction. Many of the settlers of Nuevo Leon had already passed thru Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, etc. on their way up north. I believe such is the case for Diego de Villarreal.
As you know, there are some Villarreales among the passenger list of some of the very first ships from Spain. And in my Internet searches I've come across some very old legal document from the early 1600's that mention some Villarreal in México City. That's the same period in which Diego de Villarreal appears in the chronicles of "Nuevo Reyno de León", which means that there were some other Villarreales down south. I will try to locate that document, as I remember saving it in some folder on my hard disk. There are very few historical documents with references to the surname Villarreal from the early colonial period and it is hard to put the puzzle together. It is just a couple of years since I started getting interested in this subject and don't have as much time to dedicate to this research as I would like. Well, you know how it is, but I hope that in time I can collect more bits and pieces of our history.
Regarding Danny, the first thing that I find objectionable is the coat of arms that he displays on his web page as the Villarreal coat of arms. Coat of arms are not passed on to just anyone with the same name .
yes I've heard the same. If you are not familiar with this series of
books you should have a look at the write up on Villareal. I just
learned from Lydia's report on the films at Westwood that this series
of books is available on film via the FHC close to you [sadly but not
for Villareal it looks like]:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html
Query results for: VILLARREAL&SUBMIT2=SUBMIT
| Name |
Vol. |
Page |
| Villacampa |
2 |
118 |
| Villamil |
2 |
152 |
| Villareal |
2 |
106 |
| Villaverde |
2 |
136 |
| Villaviciosa |
2 |
133 |
| Villela |
2 |
112 |
| Villela |
2 |
146 |
Title
Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos españoles y
americanos
Stmnt.Resp.
por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa
Authors
García Carraffa, Alberto, 1882-ca. 1963 (Main Author)
García Carraffa, Arturo, 1885-ca. 1940 (Added Author)
Notes
Microfilme
del original publicado: Madrid : Impr. de Antonio Marzo, Nueva Impr.
Radio ; Salamanca : Impr. Comercial Salmantina, 1920- 1956.
Titulillo: Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica; diccionario de
apellidos.
Los
volúmenes del 77 al 86 de los autores Arturo y Alberto García Carraffa
y los volúmenes del 87 al 101 de la autora Endika de Mogrobejo que
completa la collección, no han sido microfilmado por los derechos de
autor. Sin embargo se encuentran físicamente disponibles en la
Biblioteca de Historia Familiar en Salt Lake City bajo el número de
referencia 946 D6gc.
Heraldic and genealogical dictionary of Spanish and Spanish American
surnames.
Cada tomo incluye índice.
Subjects
Spain - Heraldry
Spain - Names, Personal
Latin America - Heraldry
Latin America - Names, Personal
Central America - Heraldry
Central America - Names, Personal
Mexico - Heraldry
Mexico - Names, Personal
Names, Spanish
Format
Books/Monographs (On Film)
Language
Spanish
Publication
Austin, Texas : Filmado por Golightly-Payne-Coon, 1957
Physical
en 11 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.
Series
Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica hispano-americana : t. 3-78
References
(Continued By) Diccionario hispanoamericano de heráldica,
onomástica y genealogía
(Other edition) Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos
españoles y americanos
Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
t. 1 (Aanda) - t. 5 (Alzuru) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35112 ]
t. 6 (Allado) - t. 12 (Basani) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35113 ]
t. 13 (Basanta) - t. 19 (Campani) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35114 ]
t. 20 (Campano) - t. 26 (Desportell) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35115 ]
t. 27 (Despou) - t. 33 (Franco) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35116 ]
t. 34 (Francolí) - t. 40 (Haro) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35117 ]
t. 41 (Hartos) - t. 47 (Lazcamburu) -
FHL INTL Film [ 35118 ]
t. 48 (Lazcano) - t. 54 (Mesares) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35119 ]
t. 55 (Mescua) - t. 6l (Olcina) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35120 ]
t. 62 (Olcinellas) - t. 68 (Pérez de Arramendia) -
VAULT INTL Film [ 35121 ]
t. 69 (Pérez de Arroyo) - t. 76 (Rizo) -
FHL INTL Film [ 35122 ]
© 2002
Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
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looks like you'd need the book # Villalómez a
Villavante -- v. 97
[i.e. 11]. That being the "seeming" case then I don't understand
why that website has it listed as volume 2 p106. . .i don't know.
Title
Diccionario
hispanoamericano de heráldica, onomástica y genealogía : adición al
"Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos españoles y
americanos", por Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa
Stmnt.Resp.
por Endika de Mogrobejo, con la colaboración de Aitziber, Irantzu y
Garikoitz de Mogrobejo-Zabala
Authors
Mogrobejo, Endika de (Main Author)
Notes
Tomos
1 al 86 (apellidos Aanda a Urriza) fueron publicados anteriormente bajo
el título "Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos españoles y
americanos" por los autores Alberto y Arturo García Carraffa,
1952-1963. Nuestro catálogo # 38706.
Dictionary of hispanoamerican
heraldic names including their coats of arms and genealogy. This
collection of 15 volumes is a continuation of the previous work done by
Alberto and Arturo García Carraffa in 1952-1963, which after their
deaths became an incomplete set of 86 volumes.
Referencias bibliográficas.
Contenido:
v. 87 [i.e. 1]. Urriza a Urtusáustegui -- v. 88 [i.e. 2]. Uruburu a
Valcárcel -- v. 89 [i.e. 3]. Valcarcua a Valenzuela -- v. 90 [i.e. 4].
Valeñani a Vallejo -- v. 91 [i.e. 5]. Valgornera a Vargas-Zúñiga -- v.
92 [i.e. 6]. Varella o Varillas a Velázquez -- v. 93 [i.e. 7]. Veldani
a Vergara -- v. 94 [i.e. 8]. Vergas a Vilacorba -- v. 95 [i.e. 9].
Vilach a Villaloin -- v. 96 [i.e. 10]. Villalómez a Villavante -- v. 97
[i.e. 11]. Villavedeo a Vitórica (o Bitórica) -- v. 98 [i.e. 12]. Víu
(o Bíu) a Yezarbe -- v. 99 [i.e. 13]. Yoan a Zamora -- v. 100 [i.e.
14]. Zamorano a Zorroza (o Corroza) -- v.101 [i.e. 15]. Zorrozaga a
Zuzuarregui.
Subjects
Spain - Heraldry - Dictionaries
Spain - Names, Personal - Dictionaries
Spain - Genealogy - Dictionaries
Latin America - Heraldry - Dictionaries
Latin America - Names, Personal - Dictionaries
Latin America - Genealogy - Dictionaries
Copies
Call Number - Location - Status
946 D6gc v. 87 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 88 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 89 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 90 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 91 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 92 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 93 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 94 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 95 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 96 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 97 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 98 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 99 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 100 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
946 D6gc v. 101 -
FHL INTL Book -
Available
Format
Books/Monographs
Language
Spanish
Publication
Bilbao : Edit. Mogrobejo-Zabala, [1995]-
Physical
15 v. : esc. de armas (col.)
ISBN/ISSN
8492077425 (set)
Subject
Class
946 D6
Series
Enciclopedia heráldica y genealógica hispano-americana
References
(Continues) Diccionario heráldico y genealógico de apellidos
españoles y americanos
(See Also) Diccionario hispanoamericano de heráldica, onomástica y
genealogía
Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
No film
notes for this title.
© 2002
Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
It follows the family only of the original coat of arms owner and usually his eldest son. And besides that, there are about a dozen different designs of arms for the Villarreal surname, so how do you decide which one to choose. I think it is not right to give a wrong and misleading impression to people, particularly to those who are just starting out in their search of their genealogical roots.
About the Sephardic origins, I admit that possibility but I haven't come across conclusive evidence, so I prefer to leave that as an open-ended issue. I would never try to apply a label to a whole group of people just because they share the same surname. Neither do I think is politically correct to glamorize the life of our ancestors as glorious "Conquistadors", particularly when so many unjustified atrocities were committed in historical times against so many people.
Well, I don't want to ramble on and on. Now it's your turn to share some of your thoughts. (Everyone that cares to.)
Victor
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
Hi Victor,
I didn't realize the Villarreales were connected to Zacatecas, although I
have read some history on Zacatecas and came across the Villarreal name quite
often, particularly during the time of civil war - I thought the original one
settled in Oaxaca. I have not been able to make a connection with Danny,
although the area that he mentions in Nuevo Leon (the place settled by the
original settlers there - Hidalgo, Nuevo Leon) is where my father's grandfather
was from. It appears that the family moved to Coahuila around 1830 - not
really sure why, but I suspect it had to do with the Independence and "free"
territory to those willing to fight the hostile Apaches who lived in the area. My
grandmother also happens to be a Villarreal, but her relatives are from Cd
Victoria area. I still have a great aunt who lives in Nuevo Leon, she lives
in Monterrey. I am hoping to make a journey there this summer, to tap into
her memories.....
I would love to hear how you differ from some of Danny's assumptions....the
one thing that I can confirm is our Jewish background. My great uncle had
kept this secret, and it turns out that my aunts did too, until recently, when
it no longer mattered. If you feel that our conversation would be a bore to
the rest of the group, email me privately.....perhaps we can find a
connection to our Villarreal side. I have been able to go back to the late 1700's,
but it is connected mostly with my paternal's mother side - the Bermea's, who
were the original settlers of the town my father was from - Villa Union,
Coauhuila - then known as Rosales when my father was born....
Esperanza
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