Re: SALUDOS TO EVERYONE

["sgapodaca" <sgapodaca@...>]

Hello Guillermo.

Well, I do not agree with your point that there are very few blacks 
in Mexico. Blacks did not dissapear, they just melted with indios and 
espanoles and formed today's mexican society. If you go to any town 
in Mexico and look around, you'll find lots of people that have small 
traces from these ancestors. And I'm not just talking about the color 
of the skin, but also of the facial features and body complexion. 

On my personal experience, I have seen lots of baptisms of both free 
and slave mulattos in the Zacoalco, Jalisco area. Today, you don't 
see mulatos there, but believe me, if you look closely, you'll find 
them. Heck, even myself, I look more white than black or indian, but 
I am always aware (and proud) of my recently proven black heritage. 
(Maybe that explains my slightly wide nose). Also, maybe Joseph can 
confirm this: my sister lives in Winston-Salem, NC. Most of the 
Mexican immigrants in that area are from the state of Guerrero. I 
visited NC once, and I was surprised to notice that many of them 
could easily pass as native african americans.

In conclusion, blacks did not dissapear from Mexico, they (or I dare 
to say we) just don't look black anymore.

Steve

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Guillermo Valdez <valhdez@y...> wrote:
> We definetly shouldn't rule out the presence of blacks
> in México (and we might have some blood too!), but we
> have to be aware that blacks were brought to México at
> first when Spaniards arrive to Veracruz. This is why
> we find most black mexicans in the eastern coast of
> México (Gulf of Mexico). As soon as they started
> conquering the indians, the need for black labor
> became unnecessary. I would not question the veracity
> of Vaughn's assertion about black outnumbering
> spaniards (maybe at the beginning of the colony), but
> I doubt it is true in present day México. If I'm not
> mistaken (correct me if I am wrong), México and
> Argentina and the two latin american countries with
> the smallest black population.
> 
> Guillermo Valdez.
> 
> 
> --- alice wissing <alice_wissing@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >  
> > I've always wondered if any families had haciendas
> > in the Los Altos area and what differentiates a
> > ranch from a hacienda.  Does anyone out there know
> > how I would go about finding that information?  
> >  
> > I stumbled across the Bobby Vaughn website some time
> > ago and found it fascinating.  I think it was only
> > in Mexico City where the blacks outnumbered the
> > Spaniards.  
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Alice
> > 
> > sgapodaca <sgapodaca@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I hope everyone is doing ok. I just came back from a
> > trip to Jalisco 
> > and wanted to let you know that I had a lot of fun.
> > Of course, I used 
> > some of my time there interviewing my relatives and
> > visiting the 
> > Zacoalco's notaria for records from the 1700's.
> > Soon, I'll post an 
> > updated family tree on the files section.
> > 
> > By the way, the conversation about spanish ancestors
> > and indios 
> > ancestors is past already, but I just wanted to
> > remind you that we 
> > must not forget our african roots. According to
> > researcher Bobby 
> > Vaughn, black population outnumbered spaniards
> > during most of the 
> > colonial times. Have a look at this page:
> > www.afromexico.com I, and 
> > probably many of you, have found mulatos, coyotes,
> > and similar terms 
> > on some of our lines, which means that we also have
> > african roots.
> > 
> > Is anyone aware of a book called "Haciendas y
> > Estancias de Jalisco"? 
> > Well, on a trip to Guadalajara, I got a copy of this
> > book, and even 
> > though I haven't read it all, It has some
> > interesting information on 
> > the haciendas of Jalisco.
> > 
> > Ok, I'll keep in touch.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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