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I felt an overwhelming sadness when I found my paternal
grandmother's record too. She died related to childbirth too. She
left 10 children from 2 months to 16. I thought I was the only one that
could feel like that over a death that happened so long ago. My dad was 2
yrs old when his mother died. Of course he doesn't recall her death, but
it was a real tragedy like many that our ancesters have gone through. Her
death record said that she had died of a heart-related condition which was
totally wrong. I discovered that there was another woman who died the same
day: it said that her cause of death was childbirth-related. My
guess is that whoever made out the death record--often times scribes training to
be priests got the two mixed up.
Irma
I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.
I've
found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the information can sometimes
be very slim in them. I find that if the person was married it will many times
only give the spouses name but if the person died as a child then the parents.
But in those uncommon but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents.
and the age and the location and that they were previously married (but not who
to). And the cause of death.
I've found a few that gave all the details
and agonized over the ones that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was
the name of the person and spouses name and cause of death.
my
Grandfather had 11 siblings according to the birth records, but all anyone ever
knew about was 5. I haven't found all the death records but this would be an
area where these type of mysteries can be cleared up, like Alicia said in her
example.
I remember the first time I found my GGG grandmother, Eduarda
Torres' death certificate (she died 3 days after giving birth). I felt like
someone had just then died in my family. I mourned for her. . .I was really
sad.
joseph
ps: see attached for an example of my GGGG
grandfather's: Pedro Torres
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Arturo,
I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for
Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can be hit
or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but very sparse in
terms of familial connections. For example if it was a spouse who died at
child birth it will give the husband's name but won't say who her parents
are. Most of what I found in entierros or defunciones did not give a lot
of information about family relations.
It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from some of
these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of typhoid fever or
that a high incidence of infants were dying of infeccion del ombligo/infection
of the umbilical cord which could lead one to believe that they had little or
no medical care at child birth. There were many women who died de "nacimiento
prematuro'' which didn't make sense to me that it should be put in these
terms. Premature labor is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's
usually the birthing process whether premature or not.
If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents' name but
not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause of death, it
could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or lo corno un
toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much information but I would
say it's still worth your time to look at these films. It provides a lens for
viewing how people lived and died in those times.
I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would say died
of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc.
These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and
extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom
about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by that
name. I researched the death records and found the death certificate, murio de
½ hora de nacido, mystery solved.
If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little insight about
your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this
helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca Arturo Ramos
<arturo.ramos2@...>
wrote: Can
someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials
tell me
how extensive the information listed in these books is? Does
it
list parents, survivors of the deceased? I have two particular
issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m. Maria
Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a
Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived, his
children were born, etc.). I cannot find a marriage or birth
record
for him...
The other is that baptismal and marriage
records for Jerez, Zacatecas
seem to be missing for the crucial period
at the end of the 17th and
beginning of the 18th century when many
families moved from there to
Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that
death records will make the
connection.
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