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- From: George Luna <luna@...>
- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:57:28 -0700
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I have attached a document from FHL Intl 445242 Entierros (Tepetongo,
Zacatecas) that is a marriage document. I have found others. Being
listed among the dead is no way to start a marriage. But, it is another
reason to look at entierros.
George Joseph Puentes wrote: I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the information can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the person was married it will many times only give the spouses name but if the person died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age and the location and that they were previously married (but not who to). And the cause of death.I've found a few that gave all the details and agonized over the ones that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was the name of the person and spouses name and cause of death.my Grandfather had 11 siblings according to the birth records, but all anyone ever knew about was 5. I haven't found all the death records but this would be an area where these type of mysteries can be cleared up, like Alicia said in her example.I remember the first time I found my GGG grandmother, Eduarda Torres' death certificate (she died 3 days after giving birth). I felt like someone had just then died in my family. I mourned for her. . .I was really sad.joseph ps: see attached for an example of my GGGG grandfather's: Pedro Torres Alicia Carrillo wrote:Arturo,I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can be hit or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but very sparse in terms of familial connections. For example if it was a spouse who died at child birth it will give the husband's name but won't say who her parents are. Most of what I found in entierros or defunciones did not give a lot of information about family relations. It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from some of these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of typhoid fever or that a high incidence of infants were dying of infeccion del ombligo/infection of the umbilical cord which could lead one to believe that they had little or no medical care at child birth. There were many women who died de "nacimiento prematuro'' which didn't make sense to me that it should be put in these terms. Premature labor is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's usually the birthing process whether premature or not. If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents' name but not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause of death, it could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or lo corno un toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much information but I would say it's still worth your time to look at these films. It provides a lens for viewing how people lived and died in those times. I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would say died of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc. These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by that name. I researched the death records and found the death certificate, murio de ½ hora de nacido, mystery solved. If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little insight about your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca |
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