Arturo, again I have found the same things in the death records as
has Alicia. I always thought my grandmother was an only child, but when I
checked birth and death records, I found that infant mortality was high
then. Also, if a child survived only a few hours or days, and was
even baptized with a name, no one remembered that child since they hadn't gotten
to know it and the mothers in their pain and sorrow preferred to forget and not
mention them. They had to concentrate on the living.
I found that my older relatives were only aware of those infants who lived
long enough to have been a big part of the family with pictures, etc. My
mother Luisa had a sister born before her named Luisa who only lived a few days,
but she only knew of her other living sister Emilia and one little cutie that
she had a picture of and remembered babysitting until the child died at nine
months around 1910. I still have that picture of little Alejandra.
She was as beautiful as an angel. My mother said of all her younger
siblings that Alejandra had been the prettiest. That is probably
why they had her picture taken. Children were not immunized for
diptheria, measles, etc. then, so they often did not survive childhood
diseases. How sad.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
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Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:01
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Entierros
Arturo,
I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for
Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can be hit
or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but very sparse in
terms of familial connections. For example if it was a spouse who died at
child birth it will give the husband's name but won't say who her parents
are. Most of what I found in entierros or defunciones did not give a lot
of information about family relations.
It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from some of
these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of typhoid fever or
that a high incidence of infants were dying of infeccion del ombligo/infection
of the umbilical cord which could lead one to believe that they had little or
no medical care at child birth. There were many women who died de "nacimiento
prematuro'' which didn't make sense to me that it should be put in these
terms. Premature labor is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's
usually the birthing process whether premature or not.
If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents' name but
not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause of death, it
could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or lo corno un
toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much information but I would
say it's still worth your time to look at these films. It provides a lens for
viewing how people lived and died in those times.
I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would say died
of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc.
These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and
extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom
about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by that
name. I researched the death records and found the death certificate, murio de
½ hora de nacido, mystery solved.
If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little insight about
your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this
helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
Arturo Ramos
<arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:
Can
someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials
tell me
how extensive the information listed in these books is? Does
it
list parents, survivors of the deceased? I have two particular
issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m. Maria
Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a
Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived, his
children were born, etc.). I cannot find a marriage or birth
record
for him...
The other is that baptismal and marriage
records for Jerez, Zacatecas
seem to be missing for the crucial period
at the end of the 17th and
beginning of the 18th century when many
families moved from there to
Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that
death records will make the
connection.
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