Victor, I was just going over the civil registry records I have checked and
I haven't found any trace of my father, aunt or grandmother, nor of a marriage
record for my grandfather Francisco Olague and grandmother Gorgonia
Garcia. I checked the civil registry for Guadalupe, a town not far from
Jerez, where my aunt Soledad's (my father's only sibling) death certificate
says she was born. Also, the priest didn't say the records were burned in
1903, but later when the Revolucion war came to Jerez. It seems whoever
wanted to destroy records set fire to the church and the civil registry office
since the list of LDS films has gaps for 1903 in the bautismos of hijos
naturales and all other records in the civil registry. Maybe someone there
that wanted to hide something took advantage and destroyed the
"evidence". I know Hitler destroyed his home town in Austria to prevent
people finding proof he had Jewish blood, and a lady at the FHC says that some
politico in Montreal wanted to do the same thing because he was
illegitimate. Why else would only a portion of records go missing in both
places, the church and the civil registrar?
One thing I now know for sure, probably, is that since my father was not
listed in the book for hijos legitimos for 1903, that he must have been listed
as an hijo natural. Since I don't find a marriage record for my
grandparents, I think they were not married. My grandfather was known to
be a very large, tall and intimidating man---"a very hard man" someone
said. He mistreated the women in his family, even his own mother, and my
mother left Colorado when she couldn't stand his bullying and interference, and
she didn't return to my father until after his father had died. My father
just would not stand up to his father. (My father was only five feet tall
and maybe he knew his father would kill him or something. She said that
when she used to spank his other grandchildren (my aunt's boys), my
grandfather used to come and pinch me and make me cry. He was mean
and dangerous. I heard from a cousin that someone was out to get him in
Mexico, so he came to the US during the Revolucion.
I'll keep hacking away and maybe the forces will feel sorry for me and give
me a clue.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:10
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de Hijos
Legitimos
Emilie,
Don't despair. Do what Angie suggests
and check the Civil Registry
records. What I find strange is that the
dates don't quite check
because the Mexican Revolution started in 1910 not
1903. Maybe it was
some other disaster or maybe they made a typo when
they captured that
record. I've seen microfilms whose contents don't
exactly agree with
the index at the Library Catalog. So maybe you can
take a look at
those microfilms anyway just to be sure. After all
that, if you still
haven't found anything, then you can cry, but just a
little!
Victor
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
<auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Oh, Angie,
Victor,
>
> I guess the priest my father talked to was
correct. The records for
1903 when my father was born were burned
during the Revolucion. The
films skip from 1902 to 1906. I want
to cry.
>
> Emilie
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: Emilie
Garcia<mailto:auntyemfaustus@h...>
> To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:07
PM
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de Hijos
Legitimos
>
>
> Thaks, Angie ---- I guess I
never looked at the whole list for
Jerez and only saw the Bautismos on the
top.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port
Orchard, WA --
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aajay1073<mailto:aajay1073@y...>
> To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:36
PM
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de Hijos
Legitimos
>
>
> Emilie,
>
> Here is this
list:
> Bautismos de hijos naturales 1867-1891
- FHL INTL Film [ 439889 ]
> Bautismos de
hijos naturales 1891-1902 - FHL INTL Film [ 439890
]
> Bautismos de hijos naturales 1906-1919
- FHL INTL Film [ 439891 ]
> Bautismos de
hijos naturales 1953-1961 - VAULT INTL Film [
439892 ]
>
> Taken from this
page:
>
http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai<http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai>
>
lsprint.asp?titleno=354158
>
> Good luck
on your search,
> Angie Godina
>
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie
Garcia"
<auntyemfaustus@h...>
>
wrote:
> >
>
> Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring over the microfilm
> for baptisms from Jerez around the time my
father Guadalupe Olague
> was born (January 28,
1903). I have never been able to locate my
> father's birth record in it, even though I
have found his father in
> Tepetongo (Rancho
Salitrillo) and others there back to the early
> 1700's. While I was loading the film
yesterday, I noticed that the
> title of the
book filmed was "Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos", and
sure
> enough, I did not find one "hijo natural" or
"hijo de padre no
> conocido" in it. It
seems all other films I have searched included
> all baptisms, hijos naturales, adoptivos,
etc. even if they made
> reference to other
books where the actual names of the parents were
> written. So, hmmm, was Daddy
illegitimate? If so, is there a book
>
for "hijos naturales" that was not microfilmed? What would such a
> book be called? Where would one obtain
info from such a book, and
> would it take an
act of congress to get it?
> >
> > My father at one time (in the early
1960's) needed a birth record
> for work and
for Social Security and we went from California to
Jerez
> to the church there only to have the priest
tell him that all
records
> for that time
period had been burned during the Revolucion.
Sometime
> later, my father must have contacted a lawyer
there because
after my
> mother died and I
was going through all their records, I found an
> affadavit to prove his previously unrecorded
birth. As testigos
and
> witnesses
that my father was born in Jerez were listed some men
> (maybe they are deceased by now) that bore
the surnames of his
> parent's and
grandparent's lines (Munos, Soriano. Escobedo,
Garcia).
> His mother was Gorgonia Garcia. Where
and how did this lawyer find
> them? One
place name mentioned was "La Gavia", but it is not
one of
> the places mentioned in the film I have been
looking at (0439867).
> In the list of
Communidades (Rancherias) de Jerez that I have, La
> Gavia is mentioned as being founded by the
Garcia-Cadena, Diaz, and
> Escobedo families at
the end of the 16th century. The list
names 142
> communidades y rancherias for Jerez
alone. Some of my father's
> ancestors
were Felix, and there is a community or rancho called Los
> Felix on the list. That was founded by
Jose and Doroteo Felix. The
> community of
Tepetongo where my father's ancestors were from was
> called Salitrillo, and is not listed in the
list for Jerez even
> though Tepetongo was in
the Jurisdiccion de Jerez.
> >
> > Does anyone know about books for "hijos
naturales", etc?
> >
> > Emilie
Garcia
> > Port Orchard,
WA.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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