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Re: [ranchos] Re: double surnames


 
Linda,
 
When some Anglo says "you don't look Mexican" it means that you don't look like his idea of Mexicans formed by most of the Mexicans he has seen---field or orchard workers, very dark, made darker by the sun, very small due to their mostly Indian blood, pitch black hair and eyes, poorly dressed, not too clean due to their constant labor in dirty places.  You probably speak English without an accent, too.
 
When asked a question by an Anglo and I don't respond instantly, inevitably comes the next question, "Do you speak English?"  Most people in the Southwest and California "know" that I am "Mexican"; I look "typically" Mexican, but the Asian cast to my eyes throws people who are more familiar with Filipinos, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Thai, etc. such as up here in the Northwest.
 
When asked what I am, I say I am Mexican and Native American (in Mexico, I am a Mestiza or Morena).  When asked by a Latin American in Spanish "eres Latina?", I say "Si, soy Mexicana".  When I travel, I am always taken as whatever dark skinned ethnicity they have in whatever country or state (Hawaii, Alaska, Italy, Spain) I happen to be in.  In foreign countries I tell them I am American (I was born in Colorado).  In Spain, they insist I am Mexican, not American, no matter where I was born.
 
I agree with Arturo below that if our ancestors came from Mexico, then we should say we are Mexicans.  I can say I am also Native American because I am Piro-Manso-Tewa (Pueblo tribes) on my mother's side.  My father said he was a Mestizo Mexicano born in Jerez.  I also think that since there is no country known as Chicana, we don't have to call ourselves Chicanos.  (I don't like the term either, maybe because I associate it with those that don't want to acculturate).  As for Aztlan, they might as well tell me about the mythical Atlantis, though I believe there was one continent that everyone in the world descends from, since all the creation stories sound so similar.  They can call me Hispana or Latina, but I will say that I am Mexican.  There is no land called Hispana or Latina.  There is Espana, Mexico, Italia, Deutschland, France, etc., and our ancestors came from Mexico, so we are Mexicanas. 
 
My husband identifies himself as Mexican, and he is often taken for Anglo or "Spanish".  Some Anglos think it is politically correct to call him "Castillian Spanish", since they think that Mexicans with white skin are really Castillian Spanish and not Mexican, but like his sister says, no, there is Spain and there is Mexico, and their ancestors came from Mexico, no matter what they look like.  Also Castillian is a language and not an ethnicity.  The people in Spain though identify themselves as Madrileno, Pamplonico, Sevillano, Vasco, Castellano, etc., since they are very provincial, and the provinces have their own languages as we found out when we went there and thought that everybody would speak Castillian.
 
For those of us born or living here permanently, we should consider ourselves as American as the blacks here are, though like them and the Native Americans we suffer from racism.  I believe one reason we have so many Mexican immigrants here is that the racism in Mexico that keeps people down, unable to rise above their station.  We are also getting more acculturated here.  Of my many first cousins, only two have married Anglos, but all of their children have married Anglos.  America is becoming more and more changed, more racially integrated and mixed, and though the Neo-Nazi skinhead says he hates it, he still stops by Taco Bell and has himself a taco. He does not realize he has lost the war. Without our people the Anglos couldn't afford an apple, a lettuce, or dinner out at a nice place.  We shall overcome.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: double surnames

Linda, I get something like that when asked what nationality I am.....one time at my work's cafeteria, a man approached me and asked, "Excuse me, what are you, from India?  Oh no, I got it, you're polynesian...you look so exotic! (not sure whether he was flirting or not)"....so I'm just staring at him and I said, "No, I'm Mexican-American...."  I said this with a proud smile on my face.  He looked shocked.  He was like "No, you couldn't be Mexican....are you mixed with something else?"  At that point, I gave this pest my famous "raised eyebrow" and a smirk, turned and walked away.  Now mind you, I don't know what people mean when they say, "you don't look Mexican"....I just chalk it up to peoples ignorance. 
 
Peggy
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Arturo Ramos
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:56 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: double surnames

Erlinda:

The whole Chicano vs. Mexican-American vs. Latin@ vs. Hispanic debate
is a very contentious one in the United States.  I think that all of
those terms are very politically laden such that there is no single
one that everyone would agree with.  There is an interesting episode
where the renowned author Sandra Cisneros balked at being featured in
Hispanic magazine because of such a disagreement.  She agreed only
after the magazine agreed to show her on the cover in a profile shot
with a fake tatoo reading "LATINA" across her arm.

There is an interesting article on this:

http://www.hispanicmagazine.com/2000/dec/Features/latino.html

I suppose that if you want to designate descendancy from peoples of
Mexico, Mexican or Mexican-American would be the most precise.  I
will leave my commentary at that lest I get myself in trouble.

Interesting thing though, I have run across documents where the
indigenous peoples of the area around Colotlan and Totatiche would
refer to the indigenous colonizers from the south (Tlaxcaltecs,
Otomis and Huastecs) as "mexicanos" designating that they spoke the
Mexican language (i.e. nahuatl) and they did not consider themselves
as such, since they spoke a different (Tepehuan) language.  One of
these references appears in an interview with one of the last
tepehuan speakers in Azqueltan, Jalisco in 1912!

I think that the term Mexican to designate all of the ethinicities of
Mexico was probably not adopted until after independence.  I imagine
that those of pure Spanish descent would not consider themselved
Mexican before that, especially when the term specifically refered to
the nahuatl-speakers of central Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames and y
versus
> de... I had forgotten that I use a double surname too!  I felt I
> didn't want to give up my Hispanic maiden name so just hyphenated
it
> with my married name.  That makes me Castanon-Long, I guess in
Latin
> America that would make me Castanon y Long ... I found at the
family
> reunion that most of my female cousins from my generation did the
> same.  Many of us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our
> maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of
> family pride..
>
> One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate our
> nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico...
> Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find I
> really upset some people when I call myself Hispanic. I'm told that
> excludes my Indio blood... People ask me what my nationality is
> because I'm just brown enough to not be Anglo but have light green
> eyes, my sister get's the same thing and she has blue eyes and
> freckles. I still laugh when told I don't look like a Mexican...
what
> does a Mexican look like!!!!
>
> Linda in Everett
>