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Re: [ranchos] Re: double surnames


 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:45 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: double surnames

Linda:

I got some persepective on this issue from Mssrs. de la Torre Berumen
and Valdes Salazar while I was down in Mexico.

Apparently, soon after the Mexican independence, President Vicente
Guerrero (who was mulatto) decreed that all Spaniards be expelled from
Mexico.  In reality, many were exempted but certainly all of those who
had been loyalists during the war of independence and those that had
royal ties (since Mexico was now a republic) were expelled.

Those Spanish families that remained became weary of being labeled
Spanish and particularly loyalists or royalists and thus those
with "composed names" such as "Carlos y Godoy" or "Fernandez de Jara
Quemada" quickly dropped parts of their names to mexicanize them.  I
think it was somewhat arbitrary which parts they dropped.

On a similar note, I would appreciate hearing any perspectives people
may have about how children chose whether to take on the mother's
family name vs. the father's family name.  I have run across many
instances, particularly in the 17th century where children of the same
family took on different names, i.e. some siblings took on the father's
name "Covarrubias" and other siblings in the same family took on the
mother's name "De La O" so you have siblings with different last names.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> I'm hoping you can help me with double surnames.  Is there a
> difference when they use De or Y? Such as Alvares del Castillo or
> Ochoa y Garibay?  How long did they usually keep the double surname? 
> I haven't found a reason why some families ended up using the surname
> they chose.. Villasenor y Jaso, some went Villasenor and others went
> Jaso.. same family!

Linda:
 
In my case, My family started with "González de Hermosillo" in 1467 in Burgos , Spain.  They came to Mexico City in 1540.  The "González de Hermosillo" name was kept all the way to 1704, when the part "de Hermosillo" was dropped.  that happened over 100 years before the war of independence from Spain.
this might not have happened with other "Gonzalez de Hermosillo"  I am just referring to my direct line of ancestors from Jalostotitlán Jalisco.
I know, that still does not answer your question.  I am sure somebody in the group will come up with an explanationfor the  difference between  "de"
and " y"  in the double surnames.
   
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.