RE: [ranchos] 1876 Map of Jalisco

[leticia leon <caleta58@...>]

Joseph:

 

 Martin is used as short for Martin Del Campo, this second name along with others like Barba, were those settlers of Los Altos De Jalisco, you will find them a lot in Tepatitlan, but look also in Jalostotitlan.

 

When we`re searching ancestors some times we also find history, shame or not, that is what all is about, we are made of history too along with time.

 

I hope I understood and helped.

 

                                            Leticia Leon Morales

 

Joseph Puentes <makas@...> escribió:

I have uploaded a map given to me by a member of the Ranchos group (thanks Gloria). I believe the original is at UC Berkeley. It won't be available for long so please visit    http://nuestrosranchos.libsyn.com/  and if you are intereste upload ASAP.

also have a listen at: http://NuestrosRanchos.net

joseph
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/

Subject:

Re: Older maps of Jalisco ???

From:

h1ita@...

Date:

9 Sep 2005 21:40:11 -0600

To:

MEX-JALISCO-L@...

I would love to have a map of Jalisco also, could not see this one clearly.  I went through the surname listed and I have Hernandez that I calculate late 1700s to be on my mother's Maria de Jesus Olivarez date of birth 1926 father:
Maximiano aka Maximo Olivarez m. Juana Martin
Jose Maria Olivarez m. Arcadia Ornelas
(Owner of Hacienda de Olivarez) raped Tomasa Hernandez a senorita peon who worked for the family doing housework immediately left the job to go and care for his child Jose Maria who received a large inheritance from him.  I was told this with utmost shame of incident but I know there must've been more family histories of such extreme incidents out there or hidden in closets.  I tell it as it was told to me but I do not feel embarrassed, this is the way many women were treated in that era and might not have lived to tell.  I also want to say it like it is, maybe someone out there knows about this and can give me more information further into this ancestry. 

I also see you list Martinez which I read it could derive from Martin.  My grandmother listed above as Juana Martin who is from Jalisco, Mexico(she was morena) could be indian, I don't know.  My grandfather was white, blue eyes, rather tall, thin, pitch black hair, beard, mustache..  My mother told me he was French. Back to my grandmother being Martin, a young man last name Martin said she has to have been from Los Altos de Jalisco.  He says he and I have to be cousins because there was only one conqueror named Lazaro Martin del Campo married to Juana Garcia, the others died off and left no families. He says all the Martins from Jalisco, Mexico are positively related.  Let me know if this information is of interest to you too.  I a have listing on my grandmother's side also.

"Somos Primos?",

Janey

  

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