Thank you Josie, I think I have the Ryskamp book somewhere on a shelf, and as usual it has sat there like all the other manuals that I never read until after I have struggled on my own to find out how something works---as they say, if all else fails, read the manual. Those books on Psychic Roots sound so interesting, since my mother was psychic and my husband seems to be also. He may have tuned in to the thoughts on Posadas, thus he was singing the tune he used to sing at Posadas before the message re Posadas appeared here on Ranchos. He often will tell me of a dream he had and sure enough, several days later, something happens as he saw it in his dream. My mother would often hear or see things while awake or asleep and later those things would prove to be premonitions of someone's death. Other times she would go looking for me when I felt uneasy around the father of a friend and she would appear suddenly out of nowhere, saying she had heard me call her, and I hadn't actually. Or the phone would ring when I was at home from work ill with a bronchial infection, and she would say she heard me cough. No one had told her I was home. One time, in the 1920's, she was riding with other young people in one of those huge open cars of the time, and she said she felt the car start to spin, then she could see the car several yards ahead of her, spinning on the gravel road, the driver fighting for control. When the car came to a stop at the edge of a cliff, she could hear the women screaming, then asking where she was. Then someone said, "oh, look, she's back there on the road! How did she get there?" No one had seen her jump out, nor did she remember jumping out. My husband told me that yes, he took part in Posadas during midnight Christmas Mass in El Paso, but they did not go house-to-house. He said that they did that across the bridge in Juarez, but their parish in El Paso enacted the Posada only at the church. He said that at the appropriate moment in the Mass, the congregation would hear loud banging at the door (half the choir would go outside and bang on the door, dressed as the Holy Family), and the priest and alter boys would respond as the innkeeper and shepherds. Then the doors would be flung open and the Holy Family was greeted warmly and the choir would reach a crescendo of song. They would sing Handel's Messiah also. Very uplifting, he said. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: Margarita Vallazza Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:41 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] Navigating the IGI I can highly recommend all three books--Hank Jones is a gracious person
and an interesting speaker. Marge Vallazza:)
On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:
>
>
> Hi Emilie!
>
> Your message (below) is very interesting and very helpful, especially
> to me! I also experience the same "right frame of mind" that you
> refer to except that I say that "my ancestors are talking to
> me!".......sometimes it is by way of a dream or a feeling I get! I
> know it sounds weird but it is true! To get back to "reality" :-)
> the article you refer to is George R. Ryskamp's book "Finding Your
> Hispanic Roots" which is still available for sale. On another note,
> there are two books I highly recommend on this subject of "frame of
> mind" etc.....they are two books by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. One is
> "Psychic Roots" and the second is "More Psychic Roots"
>
> I enjoy reading all the messages and want ALL OF YOU to know that I
> appreciate it very much! That is one of the things I like most about
> this group....the unselfish sharing and willingness to help! I am
> certain that ALL our ancestors are having a ball watching us! :-)
>
> Josie Trevino Trevino in San Antonio, TX
>
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> =========================
>
> Message: 7
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:24:44 -0700
>
> From: "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@...>
>
> Subject: Navigating the IGI
>
> Recently I sat down after a long time away from browsing the
> FamilySearchcom's IGI database, and after many years of searching, I
> found three more generations back on my father's side who were from
> Tepetongo, Zacatecas, and all in one sitting. I had tried looking for
> these people for years, but had no luck, and they were there all the
> time. I guess the other day their spirits were with me (I do beseech
> them to show themselves), and they wanted to be found. It is funny
> that sometimes I can find people in the IGI, for myself and others,
> and sometimes I can't.
>
> Shortly after learning my way around the IGI, I started really digging
> up stuff. By trial and error, and thinking out of the box, I
> discovered ways to locate my Mexican ancestors in the IGI. I guess by
> studying the naming customs in Mexico and the way the transcribers
> think, I developed a sense of how they may be listed. I think it is
> George Ryskamp that has an article somewhere that I recently read on
> how to navigate the IGI for ancestors in Mexico, and the process is
> pretty much what I developed for myself, but he couldn't list every
> clue in detail. As usual, I had to learn the hard way before I found
> his article.
>
> I don't know how to explain my system, but it works most of the time.
> How I have lapses sometimes is something I can't explain. I have to be
> in the right frame of mind, I guess; I just get a feeling that this is
> the time I will find something. Maybe the brain needs to refresh
> itself or something. My husband sometimes asks me why I stay so late
> on the computer some days, and the other day I told him that I was on
> a roll on the IGI and couldn't quit since I was searching a thread
> that contained thousands of people, making me go from one page to the
> next, and if I dropped the thread, I would not be able to go back to
> that series in the IGI since I could not reconstruct how I found it in
> the first place. Sometimes I go through lists of thousands to find one
> ancestor, but it is worth it, since the film number and place found
> leads me to other generations and places, etc. That is how I was able
> to help Helyn years ago and recently when she couldn't find someone in
> the IGI that I was a
>
> One thing I can explain is that I found that there seemed to be a
> naming tradition in Mexico where people were given the name of a
> grandparent or great-uncle, etc. Then people married into the same
> families over and over through the generations. Then too, men married
> several times and their children used the surnames of their
> step-mothers. Also, for some reason, I realized that some letters are
> interchangeable in surnames. Also, most people had several first names
> not known to me so the IGI will not at first find them under the only
> names by which they were later known. For instance, I just found my
> Suriano ancestors. Their name is sometimes spelled Zuriano, Soriano,
> and Sariano.
>
> The one person I knew about was Teodosa Flores (my
> great-great-grandmother, the mother of my great-grandmother Rafaela
> Tinajero), but I noticed that sometimes she was listed as Teodosia or
> Theodosia Felix and sometimes Suriano. I wondered where the Felix and
> Suriano came in, and recently I found her parents, Jose Maria Flores
> and Guadalupe Suriano. Aha! That led me to Guadalupe Suriano's
> parents, Marcelo Suriano and Ma. Francisca Munos, and to Marcelo's
> parents, Paulin Suriano and Regina (surname not listed). I am anxious
> to send for these films and see where they lead me. Those last are my
> ggggg-grandparents who lived in the early 1700's! I believe that Jose
> Maria Flores had a second wife surnamed Felix and his children from
> the first marriage used her surname also.
>
> Other people I have found lately are my Olague ancestors. Pedro Olague
> was Rafaela's husband, his parents were Santiago Olague and Eduviges
> Suriano, Santiago's parents were Jose Balentin Olague and Maria Josefa
> de Lucio. Eduviges' parents were Julian Suriano ad Rafaela Quijas. The
> surnames Suriano and De Lucio sound Italian to me. Quijas is a name I
> have never heard before. Anyone have those names in their tree? I
> could not find Edubiges for the longest time, and come to find out,
> she is in the IGI as Maria Eduvije Sariano! Who knew?
>
> So, try reading the article (I think it is by George Ryskamp) on
> searching the IGI for Mexicans. It might help you, but then again,
> like me, you might have to learn it the hard way like I did, by trial
> and error, using your intuition. Use all the known paternal and
> maternal surnames together, paternal surname first together with
> maternal surname, in different combinations and possible spellings.
> And be patient. You sometimes stumble on a thread that contains
> thousands of names, but the "Find on this Page" function takes you to
> the locale quickly on each page so you don't have to look at each and
> every one if they are not in your geographical search area. (Using
> advanced search for a geographical area doesn't always find things and
> it is best not to use "exact spelling" except when using two surnames
> together). However, the IGI only brings up the first 5000 names in a
> series when using just one surname and not specifying "exact
> spelling". There are no shortcuts, really. When y
>
> Emilie Garcia
>
> Port Orchard, WA.
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