Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications

[jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...>]

Gloria

She send you an E-mail and says no reply recieved. You
can send mail at this address. 

Jose

--- glo Sandoval-Fuentes <gloriafuentes@...>
wrote:

> Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is
> she on this group also?
> 
> gloria
> 
>                ~~glo~~
> 
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> 
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> 
> From: jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...>
> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
> matters is they can not accept the fact they are
> Indian decent mixed with espanoles.
> 
> I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
> proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
> espanol. His brothers and sisters married
> espanoles/las. But Ysidro Munoz married an Yndia. My
> 3th Great, Roque Munoz 1760, a mestizo was at times
> recorded on Bautismo records as espanol, coyote, and
> lobo? Why such a thing? They were from Rancho de
> Banon, Zac., 2nd great Francisco Munoz 1786 a
> mestizo,
> from Hacienda de Grunidora, 1st great Teofilo Munoz
> 1817, from Hacienda Grunidora, SLP, no race given,
> and
> my granfather Jose Angel Munoz Ybarra 1886, Hacienda
> De Solis, SLP, my line from 3rd marriage of
> Teofilo{age 69.. yes age 69}. My father Elpidio
> Munoz
> b. 1906  Hacienda de Solis, SLP. This is why I'm
> Mexican. My roots...
> 
> 
> Me: MUNOZ,YBARRA,TRISTAN,GALVAN...Villa de Cos, San
> Cosme, Burgo de San Cosme, Zacatecas. Grunidora,
> Hacienda Solis...SLP
> My spouse: LUNA, ARELLANO, CORTEZ, CORREA, SANDOVAL,
> CASTANEDA: Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, Teul,
> Florencia,
> La Estancia, Cerro de Pantano
> 
> We have done our homework and research for nearly
> ten
> years. We still want to learn and share.
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> 
>  > Rock on, Carol!!!:)  Marge:)
>  >
>  >
>  > On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Carol Lester wrote:
>  >
>  > > I think it is so very sad that people can spend
> so
>  > much time "talking"
>  > > about something they cannot change...and
> perhaps
>  > if we would read the
>  > > Word of God and apply His principle of "seeing
>  > each other as HE sees
>  > > us, there would never be an on-going
> conversation
>  > such as is taking
>  > > place with the Ranchos group.   As one very
> wise
>  > "human" was
>  > > paraphrased once long ago.."me thinks you all
>  > protest too much..."
>  > > Come on, really, what does it matter anyway? 
> My
>  > final thought...love
>  > > yourself; because you were created in the IMAGE
> of
>  > a living GOD...and
>  > > I garantee all of you, He knew exactly what HE
> was
>  > doing when He made
>  > > us.  He doesn't make junk...we do.  As for the
>  > DNA?....HE MADE THAT
>  > > TOO!!!
>  > >
>  > >  -----Original Message-----
>  > >  From: Emilia <auntyemfaustus@...>
>  > >  Sent: Jun 23, 2005 7:48 AM
>  > >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>  > >  Subject: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
>  > >
>  > >  I just found an answer as to why, when my
> husband
>  > and I have roots in
>  > >  Mexico going back to the early 1700's, he and
> I
>  > look so different.
>  > >  In message #277 Steven Francisco Hernandez
> Lopez
>  > says "most people
>  > >  will eiher have a lot of Inidan, Mestizo, or
>  > Mulato line, or very
>  > >  little to one at all---all the surnames and
>  > families that I have so
>  > >  far posted----were of the Spanish Hidalgo
> class".
>  > >
>  > >  I recall some of these names being in my
>  > husband's family, and his
>  > >  aunt in Mexico City told me that his family on
>  > both sides, had never
>  > >  mixed with Indians.  To furter quote Steven:
>  > "Intermarriage was very
>  > >  uncommon---to do so would be to kill all
> chances
>  > of opportunity for
>  > >  your children and descendants for all time". 
> My
>  > husband's ancestors
>  > >  were always merchants, business owners or
>  > government officials."
>  > >  Mine were always "farmers" or "laborers".
>  > >
>  > >  So now there is a new term for me to wonder
>  > about;  The Hidalgo
>  > >  Class.  Is this where the term "Don" came
> from?
>  > Many of my ancestors
>  > >  in the Juarez area on my mother's side had the
>  > title Dn. or Da., and
>  > >  they were always described as Espanol.  I just
>  > thought the Dn. and
>  > >  Da. described a landowner, a hacienda owner
> who
>  > didn't work, only
>  > >  managed his properties. Were they of the
> Hidalgo
>  > Class?  I see
>  > >  entries in records for children born in their
>  > homes that had "padres
>  > >  incognitos" but were "expuesto en la casa de
>  > Dn--y--Da.X".  I guess
>  > >  there was a never-ending supply of servants
> and
>  > workers that way.
>  > >
>  > >  Emilie Garcia
>  > >  Port Orchard, WA
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