Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications

[dora gomez <golcala01@...>]

Hello and Welcome Jose,

I know exactly how you feel.  I too was born and
raised in the US and have found that while I am here
in the US many people ask me where I am from and I say
I am from the US.  They do not accept that response,
when I say that I am Mexican they say, "OH, Yes. I see
it in you."
Now when I am in Mexico I am confronted with the same
from Mexican citizens.  They ask me where I am from
and do not accept my response that I am from
Zacatecas.  They tell me that I speak with an accent
and that I am not from Mexico.  I tell them that I was
born in the US and they say, "Si, claro, eres
Chicana."
I guess I can say like La India Maria, NO soy ni de
aqui ni de alla. Then i like to quote Selena
Quintanilla's father, Abraham, when he told her that
"When we are in the US we (Mexican-Americans) have to
be more American than the Americans to be accepted and
when we are in Mexico, we need to be more Mexican than
the Mexicans."

I don't know where I was going with that.
I do want to ask you, however, about your ancestors
from Villa De Cos.  May I ask whom they were and how
far away they lived from Hacienda El Mezquite,
Zacatecas.  I have ancestors that lived (and possibly
worked) in this Hacienda.

I know that Villa de Cos is very close to SLP.
Hacienda El Mezquite is in between Fresnillo and Villa
de Cos.

Dora

--- jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:

> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
> matters is they can not accept the fact they are
> Indian decent mixed with espanoles. 
> 
> I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
> proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
> espanol. His brothers and sisters married
> espanoles/las. But Ysidro Munoz married an Yndia. My
> 3th Great, Roque Munoz 1760, a mestizo was at times
> recorded on Bautismo records as espanol, coyote, and
> lobo? Why such a thing? They were from Rancho de
> Banon, Zac., 2nd great Francisco Munoz 1786 a
> mestizo,
> from Hacienda de Grunidora, 1st great Teofilo Munoz
> 1817, from Hacienda Grunidora, SLP, no race given,
> and
> my granfather Jose Angel Munoz Ybarra 1886, Hacienda
> De Solis, SLP, my line from 3rd marriage of
> Teofilo{age 69.. yes age 69}. My father Elpidio
> Munoz
> b. 1906  Hacienda de Solis, SLP. This is why I'm
> Mexican. My roots...
> 
> 
> Me: MUNOZ,YBARRA,TRISTAN,GALVAN...Villa de Cos, San
> Cosme, Burgo de San Cosme, Zacatecas. Grunidora,
> Hacienda Solis...SLP
> My spouse: LUNA, ARELLANO, CORTEZ, CORREA, SANDOVAL,
> CASTANEDA: Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, Teul,
> Florencia,
> La Estancia, Cerro de Pantano
> 
> We have done our homework and research for nearly
> ten
> years. We still want to learn and share. 
> 
> Jose Munoz
> 
> --- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Rock on, Carol!!!:)  Marge:)
> > 
> > 
> > On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Carol Lester wrote:
> > 
> > > I think it is so very sad that people can spend
> so
> > much time "talking" 
> > > about something they cannot change...and perhaps
> > if we would read the 
> > > Word of God and apply His principle of "seeing
> > each other as HE sees 
> > > us, there would never be an on-going
> conversation
> > such as is taking 
> > > place with the Ranchos group.   As one very wise
> > "human" was 
> > > paraphrased once long ago.."me thinks you all
> > protest too much..."   
> > > Come on, really, what does it matter anyway?  My
> > final thought...love 
> > > yourself; because you were created in the IMAGE
> of
> > a living GOD...and 
> > > I garantee all of you, He knew exactly what HE
> was
> > doing when He made 
> > > us.  He doesn't make junk...we do.  As for the
> > DNA?....HE MADE THAT 
> > > TOO!!!   
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > >  From: Emilia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> > >  Sent: Jun 23, 2005 7:48 AM
> > >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > >  Subject: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> > >
> > >  I just found an answer as to why, when my
> husband
> > and I have roots in
> > >  Mexico going back to the early 1700's, he and I
> > look so different. 
> > >  In message #277 Steven Francisco Hernandez
> Lopez
> > says "most people
> > >  will eiher have a lot of Inidan, Mestizo, or
> > Mulato line, or very
> > >  little to one at all---all the surnames and
> > families that I have so
> > >  far posted----were of the Spanish Hidalgo
> class".
> > >
> > >  I recall some of these names being in my
> > husband's family, and his
> > >  aunt in Mexico City told me that his family on
> > both sides, had never
> > >  mixed with Indians.  To furter quote Steven:
> > "Intermarriage was very
> > >  uncommon---to do so would be to kill all
> chances
> > of opportunity for
> > >  your children and descendants for all time". 
> My
> > husband's ancestors
> > >  were always merchants, business owners or
> > government officials." 
> > >  Mine were always "farmers" or "laborers".
> > >
> > >  So now there is a new term for me to wonder
> > about;  The Hidalgo
> > >  Class.  Is this where the term "Don" came
> from? 
> > Many of my ancestors
> > >  in the Juarez area on my mother's side had the
> > title Dn. or Da., and
> > >  they were always described as Espanol.  I just
> > thought the Dn. and
> > >  Da. described a landowner, a hacienda owner who
> > didn't work, only
> > >  managed his properties. Were they of the
> Hidalgo
> > Class?  I see
> > >  entries in records for children born in their
> > homes that had "padres
> > >  incognitos" but were "expuesto en la casa de
> > Dn--y--Da.X".  I guess
> > >  there was a never-ending supply of servants and
> > workers that way.
> > >
> > >  Emilie Garcia
> > >  Port Orchard, WA
> > >
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