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So well put Jose Munoz and welcome to this group.
I believe that anyone who is searching for their roots in Mexico has to be open minded. One can't believe that we're 100% this or 100% that. Just by virtue of the fact that we have or are descendants from Mexico a land that was invaded by Europeans less than 5 centuries ago. A land that was populated by many proud Indian tribes with such rich cultures, languages and history. A land that because of it's riches was invaded, pilfered, raided, raped, converted and yes even conquered. A country that experienced slavery and servitude. An Indian nation that fought to keep it's lands, languages, customs and religions but was ultimately defeated through disease, wars and greed. How can we not believe that we might be Spanish, Indian, mestizo, African, Jewish, Sephardic, Moor, Irish, French and who knows what else we may find.
That's the joy and the challenge of geneaology, to keep an open mind, to evaluate the documents with a little bit of skepticism and a little bit of joy at each new finding. To continue to learn, to ask the questions that need to be asked and yes, even to look into our DNA and let the evidence speak to us and be mindful and respectful off all those that came before us whether it's what we expected or not.
That's a little piece of my mind and I'm not budging..............Happy Hunting.......Alicia
jose munoz <jmunoz2781@...> wrote:
I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles.
I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol. His brothers and sisters married
espanoles/las. But Ysidro Munoz married an Yndia. My
3th Great, Roque Munoz 1760, a mestizo was at
times
recorded on Bautismo records as espanol, coyote, and
lobo? Why such a thing? They were from Rancho de
Banon, Zac., 2nd great Francisco Munoz 1786 a mestizo,
from Hacienda de Grunidora, 1st great Teofilo Munoz
1817, from Hacienda Grunidora, SLP, no race given, and
my granfather Jose Angel Munoz Ybarra 1886, Hacienda
De Solis, SLP, my line from 3rd marriage of
Teofilo{age 69.. yes age 69}. My father Elpidio Munoz
b. 1906 Hacienda de Solis, SLP. This is why I'm
Mexican. My roots...
Me: MUNOZ,YBARRA,TRISTAN,GALVAN...Villa de Cos, San
Cosme, Burgo de San Cosme, Zacatecas. Grunidora,
Hacienda Solis...SLP
My spouse: LUNA, ARELLANO, CORTEZ, CORREA, SANDOVAL,
CASTANEDA: Tlaltenango, Tepechitlan, Teul, Florencia,
La Estancia, Cerro de Pantano
We have done our homework and research for nearly ten
years. We still want to learn and share.
Jose Munoz
--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...>
wrote:
> Rock on, Carol!!!:) Marge:)
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Carol Lester wrote:
>
> > I think it is so very sad that people can spend so
> much time "talking"
> > about something they cannot change...and perhaps
> if we would read the
> > Word of God and apply His principle of "seeing
> each other as HE sees
> > us, there would never be an on-going conversation
> such as is taking
> > place with the Ranchos group. As one very wise
> "human" was
> > paraphrased once long ago.."me thinks you all
> protest too much..."
> > Come on, really, what does it matter anyway? My
> final thought...love
> > yourself; because you were created in the IMAGE of
> a living GOD...and
> > I garantee all of you, He knew exactly what HE was
> doing when He made
> >
us. He doesn't make junk...we do. As for the
> DNA?....HE MADE THAT
> > TOO!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emilia <auntyemfaustus@...>
> > Sent: Jun 23, 2005 7:48 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> >
> > I just found an answer as to why, when my husband
> and I have roots in
> > Mexico going back to the early 1700's, he and I
> look so different.
> > In message #277 Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez
> says "most people
> > will eiher have a lot of Inidan, Mestizo, or
> Mulato line, or very
> > little to one at all---all the surnames and
> families that I have so
> > far posted----were of the Spanish Hidalgo class".
> >
> >
I recall some of these names being in my
> husband's family, and his
> > aunt in Mexico City told me that his family on
> both sides, had never
> > mixed with Indians. To furter quote Steven:
> "Intermarriage was very
> > uncommon---to do so would be to kill all chances
> of opportunity for
> > your children and descendants for all time". My
> husband's ancestors
> > were always merchants, business owners or
> government officials."
> > Mine were always "farmers" or "laborers".
> >
> > So now there is a new term for me to wonder
> about; The Hidalgo
> > Class. Is this where the term "Don" came from?
> Many of my ancestors
> > in the Juarez area on my mother's side had the
> title Dn. or Da., and
> > they were always described as
Espanol. I just
> thought the Dn. and
> > Da. described a landowner, a hacienda owner who
> didn't work, only
> > managed his properties. Were they of the Hidalgo
> Class? I see
> > entries in records for children born in their
> homes that had "padres
> > incognitos" but were "expuesto en la casa de
> Dn--y--Da.X". I guess
> > there was a never-ending supply of servants and
> workers that way.
> >
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
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