David, thanks for the explanation of Indio Genizaro. Yes, that is where I have seen the term, in the same place you saw it, while I was researching my mother's lines from Juarez (the former Paso del Norte)and New Mexico. My great-great grandfather from Senecu near Juarez had Piro blood (maybe where I get my coloring). Maybe he was one that was "rescued" and given the Spanish surname of my mother. Many of the people I talk to tracing lines in that area also speak of a relative or two that were "adopted" from the Apaches or who had Apache mothers. Very interesting. You sound like one of my cousins in Las Cruces, New Mexico. When he found out about our Indian heritage, he became a war captain of the Piro-Manso-Tewa tribe and has tried to get federal recognition for the tribe. I will be posting my mother's trees to the Ciudad_Juarez group that Joseph started, so check it out. I would also like to see your trees. E-mail me at auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA. ----- Original Message ----- From: David P. Delgado Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:18 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com; ranchos@...m Subject: [ranchos] Yndio Genizaro Based on the little I have read, "genizaro" (accent on i) is derived from the word Janizary. That particular word has many different spellings. It originally meant an infantryman in the Turkish army in the Middle Ages. The Spanish royal academy's dictionary says that the word is used to denote any type of racially mixed person. I have come across the word in the LDS records for la Villa de Guadalupe in El Paso del Norte. The Spanish used it to denote a person who had been "rescued" from the Mohammedan faith and been made a christian. In Nuevo Mexico the Spanish used the term when referring to abducted indigenous children who had been baptized. The barbarians from Europe would invade communities which they believed were inhabited by "apaches". The good christian citizens would kidnap children (murdering their families if they objected) and take them home to be baptized. The children of course would be given a "better life" as servants or slaves of their captors. I have two Chiricahua grandmothers and a Piro ggggGrandfather. You might detect a slight favoritism toward those people in the way I express my self.
David Delgado <dpdelgado@... >
-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...>
Sent: Jun 22, 2005 9:30 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
In matters of race in the church records from Mexico I don't think the people being recorded had any idea what was being put in the record for nationality. I have in one family, Mejia from the District of Jerez, 5 children with 4 different nationalities listed. Mother is listed as Espanol, father is listed as Indio. Their children are listed as 1 Espanol, 2. Mulato, 3, Indio, 4 Mestiso and 5. Espanol... I have to assume some children were darker than others so the scribe made the decision what nationality they were making the records unreliable as to nationality. Also it would be to the advantage of the family to have a child listed as Espanol so I wonder if bribes were ever paid to insure the record would read Espanol.. just a thought.
Linda
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
Joseph,
I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were descended from. I heard of stories of Moors who came to the New World with the Conquistadores. I didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured servants who could be freed I have seen the descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could identify. They were all (until 1821) identified as Espanol. After 1821, there are no descriptions as to race. In my family it is known that my mother's side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's time. He was born around 1854, and my father told me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not dark or
curly-haired like his cousins.
I couldn't figure out what "coyote" meant. I guess it means "Native"? I also have seen Yndio Genizaro as a description. Wonder what that means.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:11 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
Emilie Garcia wrote:
So Joseph, you are not really descended from an African slave
I really couldn't say one way or the other. the MtDNA results are my maternal (mom's mom's mom's mom's) side and I have no documented records past my grandmother. . .in fact I didn't know her name until recently: Antonia Lopez from somewhere in Jalisco.
But on my paternal side going out to some GGGG grandparents some are identified in baptism records as mestizo, coyote, mulatto, and negro.
, but maybe from someone with Moorish or Arab blood. The Moors were the powers in Spain only until shortly before the ancestors of the current Spaniards had kicked them and the Jews and Arabs out. A Spanish friend from the Basque country told me she was proud not to be "hija de moro ni de indio". (She can't help it- the Basques are very proud).
I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque, because he told me so.
http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&yr=0&ln=Olague
Olagüe63191
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html
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