Re: Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

["readysetgo95814" <nena@...>]

No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and benefit from each 
other's experiences.  I myself was born in Guadalajara and I was 
confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a year of my 
baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris' question was 
related to an ancestor so I answered it according to the timeframe 
Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a gggreat-grandfather.

The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty clear in the 
language they use that the child was abandoned.  They list no 
parents' names and the child is not given a surname.  They are also 
very specific as to the location where the child was left.  Such as, 
being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez.  They also say 
the child is being baptized, not just blessed.  Thus, you find them 
in the baptismal books, as Chris did.

I also do not profess to be an authority on the subject, but only 
speak from my own limited experience.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley <smileysway2@y...> wrote:
> ...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an 
authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and 
she said that the child is baptized when they are under 1 year old, 
then at the age of 3 or later, they are then confirmed.  The 
timeframe depends on the parents.  If the child has NOT been 
presented to the church before this time, then anyone can present 
the child to the Father to have that child blessed (expuesto).  My 
MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few years ago, lived 
there her whole life.  I did not mean to upset anyone with my reply 
so if I did, I apologize...
>  
> Smiley
>  
> 
> 
> Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
> I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take place at 
about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received.  
>  
> In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take 
place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough 
to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has 
changed quite recently to as early as 7 years of age.    
>  
> Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received at the age 
of 2.  
>  
> Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's 
doorstep with parents unknown.  
>  
> Irma
> 
> 
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> From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@y...] 
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about Confirmations, and 
Expuestos
> 
> 
> 
> ...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of a child's life; 
and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of age; and 
as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout Catholic) 
states this is a word used when the child has NOT been confirmed.  
They are outside of the church, or possibly going to another church 
or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps you out Chris...
>  
> Smiley 
>  
> 
> readysetgo95814 <nena@a...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the 
child's 
> life.  Shortly after baptism. 
> 
> Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's 
> doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private 
> residence. 
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda <pineda37@y...> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> > received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> > of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> > born in Tlaltenango.   
> > 
> > The problem is that this is the second time, where I
> > haven't found him for the timeframe in which he was
> > born.  This has led me to believe that perhaps he was
> > born in some other city around Tlal! tenango and later
> > moved there. 
> > 
> > Anyway, I'm requesting the marriage records for the
> > timeframe I think he was later married in Tlaltenango.
> >  But I was also thinking that I could request the
> > Confirmation records but I really have no idea when
> > this usually takes place in someone's life -- I was
> > not raised Catholic. 
> > 
> > On another note, I've noticed a page after each year
> > of baptism records that says "Expuestos" followed by a
> > series of names.  Does anyone know what this means?
> > 
> > Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks,
> > 
> > Chris Pineda
> > 
> > 
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