I just got back the first set of results for my Y-DNA-12 marker and
it places my paternal lineage in the E3b haplogroup... This
haplogroup is related to ethnic groups originating in Southern Italy,
Southeastern Europe and the Middle East. Looks like this is a
Sephardic lineage.
I will be getting back the remainder of the markers (13 through 25)
as well as the MtDNA (matrilineal) results in a couple of weeks.
I saw from previous posts that group members' maternal lines tend to
be Haplogroup A. Is that correct?
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal" <vela_este@y...>
wrote:
Emilie,
As always, it is evident that you're doing your homework and usually
marching one step ahead of the rest of us.
Like yourself, I have been most intrigued by all those stories that
you mentioned about the early Spanish colonizers, particularly more
so
when I realised that the Y haplogroup to which I belong to is not
the
typical Western European haplogroup but one that is, as I previously
said, very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, including
North Africa, the Middle East, the Balcans and, of course, the
Iberian
Peninsula.
As I understand many of our group here have not studied this topic
in
detail, I felt compelled to point out a couple of facts that I
believe
could be helpful to all:
Ethnicity is not determined alone by your DNA haplogroup. In other
words, having "X" haplogroup does not automatically place you in any
ethnic group, regardless of all those ancient stories. If your
genealogical and historical research shows documented ancestral
evidence of certain ethnicity AND your genetic testing shows a
haplogroup correlated to the same ethnicity then you can start to
assume the possibility that your ancestors might have been indeed
such
and such ethnicity.
By the same token, physical phenotype (physical traits like eye,
hair
or skin color, etc.) is not dependent or necessarily correlated to
genetic haplogroup either.
Hope this helps. One important advice for all is not to jump to easy
conlusions right away. ;)
Victor
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
<auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
Joseph,
That is so interesting about the DNA Project.
I have talked with Mr. Greenspan (via e-mail), president of the
Family Tree DNA project, several times. He is very nice. He says
to
e-mail him any time. He is a professor at the University of
Arizona.
I had seen a story about a Hispanic priest in Albuquerque who now
wears both a cross and a Star of David, since the DNA project showed
not only that he was of Jewish heritage, but of the highest order,
the
Cohanim, direct descendants of Moses and his brother Aaron. Mr.
Greenspan said that he started the project for Jews to find out what
Jewish groups they belong to (where in the hierarchy they fit). The
highest is the Cohanim [priest], then there is the Levite [temple
servant], everybody else is Ysraelite.
I have heard many stories that many of our early 15th century
Spanish ancestors in Mexico were Sephardic Jews and Moors. We are
not
related too much to the people that live in Spain now. So Joseph,
you
are not really descended from an African slave, but maybe from
someone
with Moorish or Arab blood. The Moors were the powers in Spain only
until shortly before the ancestors of the current Spaniards had
kicked
them and the Jews and Arabs out. A Spanish friend from the Basque
country told me she was proud not to be "hija de moro ni de indio".
(She can't help it- the Basques are very proud).
I knew that my father's surname OLAGUE is Basque, because he told
me
so. They were fair, with blue eyes. People in Mexico have told us
that all Olagues descend from one Miguel Olague who together with
his
brothers went with the conquistador Don Juan de Onate to New Mexico
in
1598. They returned to Zacatecas shortly. My maternal ancestors,
the
MARQUEZ, did stay and colonize New Mexico. They were all Espanol
until my great-great grandfather's time. Somehow a Piro Indian got
in the family, thus he was dark, and on my mother's side the females
look Indian (go figure).
In Gary Felix' website I read this: "It is widely believed that a
large percentage of the earliest settlers of Mexico may have origins
in the Middle East and were a result of the expulsion of
non-Christians out of Spain, just befoe the conquest of Mexico". I
believe this, since when we first saw pictures of Saddam Hussein, we
yelled out "He looks just like Uncle Jess [my father's first cousin
Jesus, whose mother looked very Moorish or Arab]!
The project has Garzas [Garcias] with family lines in Northern
Mexico [Jalisco?]. My husband was told in Mexico that he looked
like
a typical Norteno---quite tall and fair--a Tapatio--- and his
Garcia-Cervantes line is from Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco.
Gotta go---thunderstorm above--don't want to fry this computer.
Emilie Garcia
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