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I've found two relatives through entierros--one said what he died of and gave his age as over 100 but he really was 86 or something similar...I know because I found his birth record before I found his entierro. In a second entierro record that was included in some nacimientos, I found my great-grandfather's first wife--Ma. Eleuteria Tovar de Gonzalez, who died in childbirth, giving birth to her third child. But can I find this record again? Noooooooo. This is frustrating.:( Marge:)
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Arturo,
I have looked at some films for entierros or defunciones for Nochistlan Zac, therefore I can only speak of these findings. They can be hit or miss, some are very explicit as to the cause of death but very sparse in terms of familial connections. For example if it was a spouse who died at child birth it will give the husband's name but won't say who her parents are. Most of what I found in entierros or defunciones did not give a lot of information about family relations.
It's good film to view for historical purposes. I gleaned from some of these films that there was an epidemic in a certain area of typhoid fever or that a high incidence of infants were dying of infeccion del ombligo/infection of the umbilical cord which could lead one to believe that they had little or no medical care at child birth. There were many women who died de "nacimiento prematuro'' which didn't make sense to me that it should be put in these terms. Premature labor is not necessarily cause for the mother's death. It's usually the birthing process whether premature or not.
If it was a child who died it would give the child's parents' name but not the grandparents. They are very explicit about the cause of death, it could say murio de quemado (died as a result of burns) or lo corno un toro,(was gored by a bull). You may not get much information but I would say it's still worth your time to look at these films. It provides a lens for viewing how people lived and died in those times.
I imagine today we might have many death certificates that would say died of AIDS or of drug overdose or car accident, breast cancer etc.
These films were useful to me because when I had viewed film and extracted data from birth or baptism certificates I would ask mom about a certain uncle and she once said I didn't have an uncle by that name. I researched the death records and found the death certificate, murio de ½ hora de nacido, mystery solved.
If you do view these films maybe you can give us a little insight about your findings and the historical perspective. I hope this helps..............Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:
Can someone who has looked at films of parrish books listing burials
tell me how extensive the information listed in these books is? Does
it list parents, survivors of the deceased? I have two particular
issues... one where I cannot connect an ancestor (Marcos LEMUS m. Maria
Barbara YBARRA) to any one of his potential parents (children of a
Felipe LEMUS that was the grantee of the land where Marcos lived, his
children were born, etc.). I cannot find a marriage or birth record
for him...
The other is that baptismal and marriage records for Jerez, Zacatecas
seem to be missing for the crucial period at the end of the 17th and
beginning of the 18th century when many families moved from there to
Totatiche, Jalisco... so I am hoping that death records will make the
connection.
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