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Re: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records

 
Emilie--
 
It covers the years of about 1636--1799.  The bulk of the years appear from the late 1600s until about the mid 1700s.  Send me some names and I'll check the book.
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Oct 10, 2005 7:25 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records

Rosalinda,
 
What years do the Mitra records cover?  Is it from 1685 to 1799?  You answered my prayer for someone to do look-ups for me, since I cannot afford $160.00  (old lady on a fixed income that I am). 
 
Thanks,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records

Hi group,

I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the actual document.
 
Rosalinda
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Arturo Ramos
Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still
recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two
repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records
since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have
started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group
have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories and genealogies
that have been written up and the land documents and censuses that
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for Totatiche have
been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now over as the
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and Colotlan.

Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I spend every
other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free time
doing research, filling in holes, etc.

Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have
to look it up, though even the Library of Congress does not appear to
have a copy.

Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of
FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New
Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit,
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and
1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City has a copy, but
it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy near you in a
library... Alternatively you can order one from Borderlands Books.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...>
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
> I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The
> thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some
> research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of
certified
> baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of
my
> grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra
records
> and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple. 
> The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5
> individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave
me
> my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en
la
> Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the
> 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me. 
>
> I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a
> single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those
of
> us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for
> the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is
> working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of
> print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.
>
> I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm
for
> research.  Look for books containing published genealogies in your
> area of research and ask family members for whatever records they
may
> have.
>
> Maria
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> > 
> > I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the
> same time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have
you
> been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back
in
> time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as
> fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly
are
> making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of reference
so
> as not to get too discouraged. We need a little encouragement. I
not
> only put that question out to you but to the rest of the group.
> > 
> > Another question to the group is how many of you are doing
lateral
> research. By lateral I mean across one time span say in a 50 year
> range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing
on
> now. This would include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses
and
> descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be
able
> to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is
> because our area of research is so small that everyone in these
towns
> was related several times over and I many times by way of
> conversations get the sense that we were related in more ways than
we
> can even begin to imagine. They will or would say, "oh yeah my tia
> was related to your tio" and I was always left wondering whether it
> was true and if true how was that possible.
> > 
> > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing their research
and
> again congratulations and I wishing you many more breakthroughs. I
> know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that brick wall.
> > 
> > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> > 
> > I myself am not only going back in time but because I know of
many
> present family lines am working laterally in addition to just going
> back in time.
> >
> > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
> (which
> > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at
> if
> > you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and
> made
> > a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some
> new
> > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area
> around
> > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing
research
> in
> > these places and any hints that would be useful.
> >
> > The breakthroughs are as follows:
> >
> > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas,
> > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE
> PIERO. 
> > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled
by
> Sr.
> > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su
> Majestad,
> > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> >
> > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte
Escobedo
> and
> > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal
> record
> > in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of Lorenso
PINEDO
> and
> > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco
> and
> > he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte
> Escobedo
> > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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