Re: Sagrada Mitra records

["v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...>]

Here's Luz Montejano web page.  It isn't updated very frequently but
it has some information and an email address to write to her.

http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rosalinda maybe later we can have you or someone interview the 
> Author Luz Montejano. . .do we have a volunteer for this project?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> 
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I 
> > purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and 
> > interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the 
> > relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be 
> > happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within 
> > the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 
> > 1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the
complete 
> > names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and 
> > approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon 
> > as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the 
> > dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the 
> > actual document.
> >  
> > Rosalinda
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arturo Ramos
> > Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records
> >
> > Alicia:
> >
> > I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last
> > Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my
> > maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still
> > recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from
> > stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was
> > made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of
> > documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two
> > repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records
> > since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.
> >
> > The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been
> > researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no
> > missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have
> > started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that
> > this is not the case everywhere.
> >
> > Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group
> > have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories and genealogies
> > that have been written up and the land documents and censuses that
> > have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for Totatiche have
> > been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now over as the
> > baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and Colotlan.
> >
> > Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I spend every
> > other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free time
> > doing research, filling in holes, etc.
> >
> > Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have
> > to look it up, though even the Library of Congress does not appear to
> > have a copy.
> >
> > Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of
> > FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New
> > Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit,
> > Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and
> > 1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City has a copy, but
> > it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy near you in a
> > library... Alternatively you can order one from Borderlands Books.
> >
> > http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp
> >
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Alicia,
> > >
> > > I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The
> > > thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some
> > > research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of
> > certified
> > > baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of
> > my
> > > grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra
> > records
> > > and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple. 
> > > The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5
> > > individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave
> > me
> > > my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en
> > la
> > > Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the
> > > 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me. 
> > >
> > > I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a
> > > single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those
> > of
> > > us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for
> > > the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is
> > > working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of
> > > print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.
> > >
> > > I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm
> > for
> > > research.  Look for books containing published genealogies in your
> > > area of research and ask family members for whatever records they
> > may
> > > have.
> > >
> > > Maria
> > >
> > > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Arturo,
> > > > 
> > > > I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the
> > > same time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have
> > you
> > > been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back
> > in
> > > time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as
> > > fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly
> > are
> > > making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of reference
> > so
> > > as not to get too discouraged. We need a little encouragement. I
> > not
> > > only put that question out to you but to the rest of the group.
> > > > 
> > > > Another question to the group is how many of you are doing
> > lateral
> > > research. By lateral I mean across one time span say in a 50 year
> > > range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing
> > on
> > > now. This would include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses
> > and
> > > descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be
> > able
> > > to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is
> > > because our area of research is so small that everyone in these
> > towns
> > > was related several times over and I many times by way of
> > > conversations get the sense that we were related in more ways than
> > we
> > > can even begin to imagine. They will or would say, "oh yeah my tia
> > > was related to your tio" and I was always left wondering whether it
> > > was true and if true how was that possible.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing their research
> > and
> > > again congratulations and I wishing you many more breakthroughs. I
> > > know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that brick wall.
> > > > 
> > > > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> > > > 
> > > > I myself am not only going back in time but because I know of
> > many
> > > present family lines am working laterally in addition to just going
> > > back in time.
> > > >
> > > > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > > > This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
> > > (which
> > > > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at
> > > if
> > > > you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and
> > > made
> > > > a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some
> > > new
> > > > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area
> > > around
> > > > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing
> > research
> > > in
> > > > these places and any hints that would be useful.
> > > >
> > > > The breakthroughs are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas,
> > > > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE
> > > PIERO. 
> > > > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled
> > by
> > > Sr.
> > > > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su
> > > Majestad,
> > > > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> > > >
> > > > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte
> > Escobedo
> > > and
> > > > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal
> > > record
> > > > in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of Lorenso
> > PINEDO
> > > and
> > > > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco
> > > and
> > > > he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte
> > > Escobedo
> > > > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> > > >
> > > >
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