Re: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records

[Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>]

Thank you.


Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@... wrote:


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Hi group,

I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book
costs $160.  I purchased it a few months ago, and it
is tremendously helpful and interesting.  It has a
lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the
group, I would be happy to do lookups of names.  The
book focuses on the areas within the archbishopric of
Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early
1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send
me the complete names of a couple (and parents if you
know them), their location, and approximate dates to
my private email address.   I'll respond as soon as
possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the
dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you
can look up the actual document.
 
Rosalinda
 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arturo Ramos 
Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM 
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records 

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually
started last 
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some
relatives.  On my 
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible
memory and still 
recalls the names and family history of her
great-grandparents from 
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side,
my father was 
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a
pile of 
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These
two 
repositories made it much easier to delve into the
baptismal records 
since I had good family information going back to the
late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town
where I have been 
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church
records... no 
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now
that I have 
started branching out more and more to other towns, I
realize that 
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina,
from this group 
have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories
and genealogies 
that have been written up and the land documents and
censuses that 
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for
Totatiche have 
been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now
over as the 
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and
Colotlan.

Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and
I spend every 
other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots
of free time 
doing research, filling in holes, etc.

Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana
book... I will have 
to look it up, though even the Library of Congress
does not appear to 
have a copy.

Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a
large number of 
FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the
Bishphoric of New 
Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco,
Nayarit, 
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in
the 1600s and 
1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City
has a copy, but 
it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy
near you in a 
library... Alternatively you can order one from
Borderlands Books.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814"
<mcortez3@g...> 
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
> 
> I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back
that far.  The 
> thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had
done some 
> research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me
copies of 
certified 
> baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That
helped with one of 
my 
> grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the
Sagrada Mitra 
records 
> and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations
for one couple.  
> The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes
interviews of at least 5 
> individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That
dispensa gave 
me 
> my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of
Retoños de España en 
la 
> Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going
back to the 
> 1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting
moment for me.  
> 
> I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion,
there isn't a 
> single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol
2) for those 
of 
> us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am
anxiously awaiting for 
> the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal) is 
> working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 &
2 are out of 
> print. I borrowed my copy from the California State
Library.
> 
> I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely
on microfilm 
for 
> research.  Look for books containing published
genealogies in your 
> area of research and ask family members for whatever
records they 
may 
> have.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo
<alliecar@p...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Arturo,
> >  
> > I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for
you and at the 
> same time a little envious of your accomplishments.
How long have 
you 
> been researching your ancestry that you have gotten
this far back 
in 
> time? I think for those of us who think we are not
getting there as 
> fast as we'd like or making as much progress as
others seemingly 
are 
> making, we'd like to know and get an approximate
time of reference 
so 
> as not to get too discouraged. We need a little
encouragement. I 
not 
> only put that question out to you but to the rest of
the group.
> >  
> > Another question to the group is how many of you
are doing 
lateral 
> research. By lateral I mean across one time span say
in a 50 year 
> range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where
I'm focusing 
on 
> now. This would include aunts and uncles, their
children, spouses 
and 
> descendants. For me at least it makes it very
interesting to be 
able 
> to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm
doing this is 
> because our area of research is so small that
everyone in these 
towns 
> was related several times over and I many times by
way of 
> conversations get the sense that we were related in
more ways than 
we 
> can even begin to imagine. They will or would say,
"oh yeah my tia 
> was related to your tio" and I was always left
wondering whether it 
> was true and if true how was that possible.
> >  
> > Anyway just curious to see how others are doing
their research 
and 
> again congratulations and I wishing you many more
breakthroughs. I 
> know how exciting it is when you make a dent in that
brick wall.
> >  
> > Sinceramente, Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
> >  
> > I myself am not only going back in time but
because I know of 
many 
> present family lines am working laterally in
addition to just going 
> back in time.
> > 
> > Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> > This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara 
> (which 
> > by the way is an incredible resource that everyone
should look at 
> if 
> > you have traced your lineages going back as far as
the 1700s) and 
> made 
> > a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my
research to some 
> new 
> > towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most
likely the area 
> around 
> > Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who
is doing 
research 
> in 
> > these places and any hints that would be useful.
> > 
> > The breakthroughs are as follows:
> > 
> > Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil,
Zacatecas, 
> > illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA
and Isabel DE 
> PIERO.  
> > He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised
and schooled 
by 
> Sr. 
> > Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the
Consejo de su 
> Majestad, 
> > Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> > 
> > (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born
in Monte 
Escobedo 
> and 
> > baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find
his baptismal 
> record 
> > in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son
of Lorenso 
PINEDO 
> and 
> > Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic,
Totatiche, Jalisco 
> and 
> > he and his sons continued to marry into families
from Monte 
> Escobedo 
> > (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> > 
> > 
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