RE: [ranchos] Melungeons: Toribio Romo

["Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@...>]

Maybe that's why they thought my dad was one of them in Morroco, also in Portugal.  In Spain they talked about him as if he didn't know what they were saying.  Of course my dad being my dad let them know, and also scolded them for taking all of our gold to decorate their churches...   :)

Irma

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto Duarte
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:20 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Melungeons: Toribio Romo

1) She lived in El Paso and I believe was born 
in
Chihuahua!
2) The Moors were in Spain for over 700 years and 
I
suppose that many Spaniards, including us, have their
blood in our 
veins.  My brother-in-law and his wife
(both born in Los Altos, Jalisco) 
just returned from
Spain and told me that the people in southern 
Spain
look just like the people from Los Altos, Jalisco. 
Also, many of 
the north Africans (Moroccans) look like
us; he said he could not tell the 
difference.


Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, 
California

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
and Ted Williams was 1/2 Mexican (his mom). . .kind
> of got off the 
> subject. didn't I?
> 
> but Melungeons are such interesting 
people and are
> VERY possibly some of 
> the earliest non Native 
American settlers on the
> east coast. the Story 
> goes and DNA 
indications seem to say that they were
> crosses between the 
> 
Native Americans and slaves that Sir Francis Drake
> left behind on 
> Roanoke Island on 26 June 1586 which interacted with
> "the lost 
colony".  
> The slaves left behind were captured either in 
the
> Carribean Islands 
> and/or close to Spanish waters that were 
made of
> Turkish, Moors,  and 
> Other Mediterranean 
peoples,
> 
> http://melungeonhealth.org/info.html
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: and it is possible that some of us that 
have
> Moor blood floating 
> around our veins that have roots 
in  Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or 
> Aguascalientes might be 
related to to them. . .boy
> was that a stretch to 
> keep it on 
topic, wasn't it?
> 
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is
> suspected 
that 
> >Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you
> all 
look up that as 
> >it is too hard to explain here but needless to 
say
> a person "of 
> >color".
> >
> >--- In 
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"
> <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>The first 
enlightened leader of the are which we
> are all 
> 
>>    
> >>
> >researching, 
> 
>  
> >
> >>Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first 
Mestizos
> in Mexico.  He 
> >>encouraged and was trusted 
by the Spanish Crown
> and Novo-Spanish 
> >>(Mexican) 
vice-roy to take indigenous peoples
> (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
> 
>>the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and
> normalizing 
relations 
> >>with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, 
etc.
> >>
> >>He was very successful and I am pretty 
certain he
> was brown.  I am 
> >>now researching 
Afro-Mexican history and it is
> amazing to see that 
> 
>>    
> >>
> >so 
> >  
> >
> >>many of the leaders of the Mexican 
independence
> such as Vicente 
> >>Guerrero and even Pancho 
Villa were of African
> descent... not to 
> >>mention that 
Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and
> Benito Juarez was 
> 
>>Zapotec.  I think that as much prejudice as there
> was back 
then, 
> >>    
> >>
> >the 
> >  
> >
> >>demographic collapse brought 
about by Eastern
> Hemisphere diseases 
> >>made it necessary 
for anybosy to appreciate a
> bright, hard-working 
> >>person 
and those exemplary people who were willing
> to work did well 
> 
>>for themselves.  Statistically probaly not as well
> as they 
might 
> >>    
> >>
> >have 
> >  
> >
> >>done now a days but definitely 
better than people
> of color were 
> >>    
> >>
> >doing 
> >  
> >
> 
>>in the United States at the same time... Benito
> Juarez was 
> >>    
> >>
> >president 
> >  
> >
> >>at the same time as Abraham 
Lincoln...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
>>--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte
> 
<albertodua@y...> 
> >>wrote:
> 
>>    
> >>
> >>>Hey, Emile, 
some mestizos from Jerez held
> predominate
> >>>positions 
in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
> >>>Cadena family members 
were governors (Francisco
> Garcia
> >>>Salinas and 
Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
> >>>Zacatecas, and many recent 
Duartes, Gracias,
> Tovars,
> >>>and Sanchezs are doctors, 
lawyers, writers, and
> >>>successful business men throughout 
Zacatecas. 
> But
> >>>yes, light skin Mexicans do have an 
aveage over
> those
> >>>of dark skin, just like in this 
country.
> >>>
> >>>Alberto Duarte Prieto
> 
>>>Santa Maria, California
> >>> 
> 
>>>--- Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@h...> wrote:
> 
>>>
> >>>      
> 
>>>
> >>>>Irma--
> >>>>
> 
>>>>No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines. 
> 
It
> >>>>is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who 
are
> >>>>light skinned, tall, light haired, and
> 
hazel-eyed or
> >>>>blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The 
photo of
> the
> >>>>saint in the article for which I 
sent a link
> bears a
> >>>>striking resemblance to my 
husband, his father,
> and
> >>>>his great-grandmother, 
Marciana Cervantes.  I
> have
> >>>>traced some of 
the Garcias who married into the
> >>>>Calzada family that 
were from Rincon de Romos. 
> My
> >>>>husband's 
gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia
> married
> >>>>Anna 
Cleta Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was
> >>>>descended 
from Patricio Martines [Martin] who
> >>>>married Maria Maxima 
Duron; they were also from
> >>>>Rincon de Romos.  In 
between there were
> Aguirres,
> >>>>Albas, Gonzaleses, 
Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> >>>>closest surname to Romo 
in my husband's lines is
> one
> >>>>Roman.  
> >>>>
> >>>>I was just amazed that someone 
surnamed Romo
> from
> >>>>Jalostitlan could look so 
much like my husband's
> >>>>Garcia-Cervantes family from 
Encarnacion de Diaz
> in
> >>>>Jalisco.  People in 
Jalisco and Aguascalientes
> must
> >>>>be 
inter-related.  They also look different from
> the
> 
>>>>people I saw in Jerez when I went there in the
> 
>>>>1960's with my father.  It seems my husband's
> 
>>>>ancestors were always merchants or military, or
> 
>>>>religious, etc. (town people) and were not
> 
laborers
> >>>>on the ranchos like my ancestors.  That 
leads me
> to
> >>>>believe that the Spaniards were more 
educated
> than
> >>>>the Mesizos in Mexico and held 
positions of
> >>>>authority and in commerce rather than 
laboring
> in
> >>>>the fields and ranches.
> 
>>>>
> >>>>Emilie Garcia
> 
>>>>Port Orchard, WA ---
> 
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