RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo --family traits

["Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@...>]

I really did not mean to spark anything, and Santo Toribio is my only claim to fame.  We genealogists are usually joked about always being related to someone famous.  He's about it so far, and my dad looks nothing like him.  When my parents visited Europe a few decades ago.  They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his dark, curly hair and olive complexion.  It was a real shocker when I discovered that one of his grandmothers was even a Romo.  The ressemblance is more than coloring.  I am not exaggerating when I say that my cousin Gregorio could be his double, and anyone coming from Jalostotitlan would tell you that the Romos in the area have those tell-tale Romo eyes. 

Something that we Gomez are known for is our height.  My dad's apodo was "La Escalera del diablo."  He and his brothers were all 6' and up.  Of course my cousin Sam who measures about 5'5" would definitely not fit the bill.  He took after his petite mother.  Anyway, I just finished reading a book, Una seccion de los de Alba by Miguel de Alba Gonzalez.  Since my dad's aunt married into the de Alba family in San Juan de los Lagos, I thought that it would be interesting to read.  Furthermore  we all know that in small towns everyone in the area eventually ties into every family.  I did find reference to her.    I also found a  reference to another distant relative, and the author remarked on his height, and it being attributed to his mother who came from the Gomez from the ranch, La Parada.  My Gomez' married twice into this family.  This family was rich, our Gomez were not.  My dad's tia was an old maid (26!!!), and he was a rich widower in his 60s.  My dad always joked about his Gomez tias being married to men of short stature because they were so tall.  At 5'9".  I worried about this, but fortunately I found a man of Mexican ancestry that is 5'11" .  :) 

What I'm trying  to say is that there are certain traits that do appear over and over in families.    Of course as you say, there are always those exceptions.  It is more than skin color...

Irma

"La Escalera del Diablo #4"  --I'm the 4th child.

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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jose munoz
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:16 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

I agree with you Alicia...

My fathers' cousin Angel 
Ramirez, and his wife Katy,
gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny 
Ramirez.
The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5",
brown eyes, 
and long beautiful black hair. Her twin
brother growth was cut shot, just 
under 4 feet, green
eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took 
a
while to figure that one. No one thought they were
siblings. I believe 
many people do not understand what
they are really asking, assuming that it 
is just a
matter of people having similar physical appearance.
However, 
since physical appearance is influenced by
environmental factors, and not 
just genetics, people
can actually look very differently.

Jose 
Munoz

--- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote:

> 
I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's 
ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our 
genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> 
anything is possible. I have a son who is very dark
> and has a blonde 
blue eyed son. I have a daughter
> that is not so dark and has beautiful 
brown eyed,
> black haired beautiful girls. Looks, eye color and
> 
skin color don't always tell the full story.
>  
> 
Alicia
> 
> Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> 
wrote:
> Irma--
>  
> No, I don't have the surname Romo 
in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who 
are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue 
eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article 
for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his 
father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I 
have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada 
family that were from Rincon de Romos.  My
> husband's 
gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married
> Anna Cleta Calzada.  
Marciana Cervantes was
> descended from Patricio Martines [Martin] 
who
> married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from
> Rincon de 
Romos.  In between there were Aguirres,
> Albas, Gonzaleses, 
Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
> closest surname to Romo in my husband's 
lines is one
> Roman.  
>  
> I was just amazed that 
someone surnamed Romo from
> Jalostitlan could look so much like my 
husband's
> Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
> 
Jalisco.  People in Jalisco and Aguascalientes must
> be 
inter-related.  They also look different from the
> people I saw in 
Jerez when I went there in the
> 1960's with my father.  It seems my 
husband's
> ancestors were always merchants or military, or
> 
religious, etc. (town people) and were not laborers
> on the ranchos like 
my ancestors.  That leads me to
> believe that the Spaniards were 
more educated than
> the Mesizos in Mexico and held positions of
> 
authority and in commerce rather than laboring in
> the fields and 
ranches.
>  
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA 
---
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Irma GomezLucero 
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 
10:03 AM
> Subject: RE: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- Mexico's
> Ghostly 
Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
> 
> 
> Santo Toribio has many 
of the features that are
> commonly seen in Romos even of today.  My 
aunt
> married a Romo, and many of my cousins have a
> striking 
ressemblance (mostly the beautiful
> eyes-whether they be 
brown/green/blue) to Santo
> Toribio.  Since they haven't done any 
research, I've
> been trying to figure out any connections for them. 
> In doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of
> the family 
to Santo Toribio's mother who is NOT a
> Romo.  This is how I came to 
"meet" John G.  I still
> have more work to do on my Romos & my 
cousin's.  I
> also thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie 
into
> Rincon de Romos.  My cousins claim that their father
> 
often told them they weren't related to the Romos of
> Santa Ana--that 
they were from San Luis Potosi.  I
> just think that their features 
are a bit too much to
> ignore.  Gotta go and dig some 
more....
> Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo too,
> and 
that you tied into the Romos in Rincon de Romos?
>  Just 
wondering...  I know there are still many
> there but haven't been 
able to tie mine in ...
> Irma
> 
> 
> 
---------------------------------
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> 
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Alberto Duarte
> 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15 AM
> To: 
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Toribio Romo -- 
Mexico's
> Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!
> 
> 
> 
> It's called faith and we have it.
> 
> Alberto Duarte 
Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Emilie Garcia 
<auntyemfaustus@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
>
>
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html<http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html>
> 
> 
> > 
> > John,
> > 
> > I had never 
heard of the saint you are related to,
> > so I started browsing the 
internet for information
> > on him, and I found this interesting 
article
> (check
> > link above).  What was fascinating to 
me is the
> > picture of Toribio Romo.  He bears a 
striking
> > resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
> 
> great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was from
> > Encarnacion 
de Diaz in Jalisco and whose ancestors
> I
> > have traced to 
Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes
> > which is just south of our areas 
of interest in
> > Zacatecas.  
> > 
> > How 
lucky you are to have traced your ancestors
> back
> > to 1550; 
I've been working so hard for over five
> > YEARS and have only found 
our people back to the
> > early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo 
perhaps
> guiding
> > you?  The article goes into a deep 
discussion
> about
> > guardian angels, etc. all the way back in 
history
> > even before the Hebrews.  
> > 
> > 
May Santo Toribio help us all in meeting our goals
> > as he has helped 
others of our people.
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port 
Orchard, WA ---
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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