Re: Digest Number 676

["readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@...>]

Hi Charles,

This is the e-mail address I have for Jose Luis:  
asturias_vazquez@...

It may or may not be current since I haven't corresponded with him in 
a couple of years.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Clark" <cclark98@p...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-
mail and 
> postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book 
and would 
> like to replace it.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Charles Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676
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> There are 15 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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>       1. Need help with title.
>            From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
>       2. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
>            From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...>
>       3. Re: Need help with title.
>            From: "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
>       4. Re: Need help with title.
>            From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
>       5. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
>            From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
>       6. RE: "Ranchos Support Fund"
>            From: "Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@c...>
>       7. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
>            From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
>       8. 1550: Suave!!!
>            From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
>       9. Re: Questions for Colotlan interview
>            From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
>      10. Br. Abbreviation.
>            From: José Román González López <jrgl01@y...>
>      11. Re: 1550: Suave!!!
>            From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
>      12. Re: Br. Abbreviation.
>            From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
>      13. Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation.
>            From: Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...>
>      14. Re: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. 
Abbreviation.
>            From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
>      15. Re: 1550: Suave!!!
>            From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:34:44 -0000
>    From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
> Subject: Need help with title.
> 
> While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
> de Hermosillo. "
> 
> I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for?
> 
> I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there that 
has
> any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be
> greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> 
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:50:22 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...>
> Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
> 
> Joseph,
>   If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.  You can 
count me for 
> a $25 pledge.
> 
>   Olivia
>   So. Calif.
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:  For now we are over a hundred 
> members strong.  I would like to run
> something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object 
to
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need or
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort 
would
> need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 
members (no
> ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. 
Before
> the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the 
use
> for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the 
use
> would be made by the committee.
> 
> If this is something that you all would consider going forward on 
then I
> would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee 
members
> and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to 
start the
> contributions.
> 
> But all that is premature if you all think this is not something 
worthwhile.
> 
> what say ye?
> 
> joseph
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:13:19 -0800
>    From: "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
> Subject: Re: Need help with title.
> 
> John,
> 
> According to Google "Br. Pbro." means Bachiller Presbitero.  You 
had a 
> priest as an ancestor?  Or was he a professor of some kind?
> 
> Emilie Garcia
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: John Gonzalez<mailto:1gnzlz@v...>
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:34 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Need help with title.
> 
> 
>   While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
>   de Hermosillo. "
> 
>   I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands 
for?
> 
>   I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there 
that has
>   any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will 
be
>   greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
>   Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:42:19 -0800
>    From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
> Subject: Re: Need help with title.
> 
> Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the Church 
( Templo 
> San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my guess is that he was either 
a son or 
> a brother of my  ggggg granfather.  I'll probably find out later.  
I am 
> related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed.  Have 
you ever 
> heard of this Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, 
Jalisco, just 
> outside of Jalos.  They have just placed some of his relics in the 
new 
> (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento!   He is the patron saint of 
the 
> immigrants.
> 
> By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the way 
back to 
> about 1550 !!!   11 generations and Iam still in Jalostotitlan! but 
I hit 
> the wall...I guess Iam going to have to start looking in a 
different 
> direction now.
> 
> Thank you for your help Emilie.
> 1gnzlz@v...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Emilie Garcia
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:13 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Need help with title.
> 
> 
>   John,
> 
>   According to Google "Br. Pbro." means Bachiller Presbitero.  You 
had a 
> priest as an ancestor?  Or was he a professor of some kind?
> 
>   Emilie Garcia
>   Port Orchard, WA ---
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: John Gonzalez
>     To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:34 AM
>     Subject: [ranchos] Need help with title.
> 
> 
>     While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
>     de Hermosillo. "
> 
>     I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands 
for?
> 
>     I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there 
that has
>     any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help 
will be
>     greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
>     Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:15:45 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...>
> Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
> 
> I hope everyone had or is still having a good holiday and I too 
contribute 
> $25.00 to the support fund. Just let me know where and when to send 
it.
> 
> Con mis mejores deseos para todos........Alicia Carrillo de San 
Jose, Ca
> 
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes <ojaurequireyes@y...> wrote:
> Joseph,
> If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.  You can count 
me for a 
> $25 pledge.
> 
> Olivia
> So. Calif.
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:For now we are over a hundred 
members 
> strong. I would like to run
> something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object 
to
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need or
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort 
would
> need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 
members (no
> ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. 
Before
> the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the 
use
> for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the 
use
> would be made by the committee.
> 
> If this is something that you all would consider going forward on 
then I
> would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee 
members
> and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to 
start the
> contributions.
> 
> But all that is premature if you all think this is not something 
worthwhile.
> 
> what say ye?
> 
> joseph
> 
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> Message: 6
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:28:36 -0800
>    From: "Irma GomezLucero" <igomezlucero@c...>
> Subject: RE: "Ranchos Support Fund"
> 
> Hi Joseph,
>     What would these funds be used for.  I'm not real clear on 
this...
> Irma
> 
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> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf
> Of Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM
> To: LosRanchos
> Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund"
> 
> 
> For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to run
> something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object 
to
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need or
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort 
would
> need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 
members (no
> ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. 
Before
> the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the 
use
> for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the 
use
> would be made by the committee.
> 
> If this is something that you all would consider going forward on 
then I
> would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee 
members
> and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge $25 to 
start the
> contributions.
> 
> But all that is premature if you all think this is not something
> worthwhile.
> 
> what say ye?
> 
> joseph
> 
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> Message: 7
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:59:07 -0500
>    From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
> Subject: Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
> 
> 
> 
> Irma GomezLucero wrote:
> 
> > Hi Joseph,
> >     What would these funds be used for.  I'm not real clear on 
this...
> 
> Well the support committee would be making the final decision on 
that.
> But my reason for suggesting the funds creation was to have small
> stipends available to send to members of the Ranchos group that 
found
> themselves in need. And for causes that would directly benefit the
> purpose of the Ranchos group. We would all be able to submit 
suggestions
> for the use of the funds but the committee would make the final 
decision
> on the distribution.
> 
> joseph
> 
> > Irma
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> > Behalf Of Joseph Puentes
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM
> > To: LosRanchos
> > Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund"
> >
> > For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to run
> > something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone 
object to
> > having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> >
> > I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able 
to
> > have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need
> > or for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This 
effort
> > would need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3
> > members (no ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold 
the
> > funds. Before the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they 
would
> > bring up the use for group discussion. but after the discussion 
the
> > decision for the use would be made by the committee.
> >
> > If this is something that you all would consider going forward on 
then
> > I would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of the committee
> > members and possibly the Treasurer. Also I would like to pledge 
$25 to
> > start the contributions.
> >
> > But all that is premature if you all think this is not something
> > worthwhile.
> >
> > what say ye?
> >
> > joseph
> >
> 
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> Message: 8
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:59:39 -0500
>    From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
> Subject: 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
> 
> John Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> > Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the Church
> > ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my guess is that he 
was
> > either a son or a brother of my  ggggg granfather.  I'll probably 
find
> > out later.  I am related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once
> > removed.  Have you ever heard of this Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo 
was
> > from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just outside of Jalos.  They have just 
placed
> > some of his relics in the new (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento!
> > He is the patron saint of the immigrants.
> >
> > By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the way
> > back to about 1550 !!!
> 
> Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell 
every
> little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some could 
pick up
> some points in doing their own genealogy research.
> 
> . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you have 
hit a
> wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records you 
discovered
> this past week leading you back to 1550. After you do that and then
> examine collateral lines related to this research you might could 
say
> you hit the wall. but even if you did its a wall built 400+ years 
ago! Cool!
> 
> joseph
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> Message: 9
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:04:51 -0500
>    From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
> Subject: Re: Questions for Colotlan interview
> 
> great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if not all.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Serros wrote:
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> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>All the Colotlan and nearby area researchers of this group. Help 
me come
> >>up with some interview questions for these Historiadores.
> >>
> >>what do you want to know?
> >>
> >>joseph
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >1. What is the mining history of Colotlan?
> >2. Were the inhabitants of Colotlan and nearby areas migratory in 
nature, 
> >looking for the
> >best jobs they could?
> >3. Did the Native American Indians of Colotlan survive? Are they 
still 
> >there?
> >4. Is it true the haciendas turned over every three generations?
> >5. What percent of the population in the 1700's and 1800's 
actually lived 
> >in the "city", like
> >Colotlan vis-á-vis on the small ranches/haciendas?
> >6. How did Colotlan compare in the 1700's and 1800's to the major 
cities of 
> >Guadalajuara
> >and Mexico City?
> >7. Who were the important figures in Colotlan history, both 
Spanish and 
> >Native American
> >Indian?
> >8. How much influence did the Catholic Church have in the area? 
How much 
> >land did the
> >Catholic church own or control before the land reforms of the 
1850's?
> >9. Why was Colotlan originally chosen as a site for colonization 
by the 
> >Spanish?
> >10. When did the Spanish first come in force to the area? Were 
there 
> >distinct "waves" of
> >immigration? Where did these Spaniards come from---provinces?
> >11. Is Colotlan today a prosperous city? If so, why? If not, why 
not?
> >12. Does a large percentage of the young people in Colotlan 
emigrate to USA 
> >today? If so,
> >why?
> >13. Is "status" in Colotlan and the nearby area based on race or 
money or 
> >family history?
> >14. Is the area still Catholic?
> >
> >
> >Basta.
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> >Ed
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:37:33 -0600 (CST)
>    From: José Román González López <jrgl01@y...>
> Subject: Br. Abbreviation.
> 
> Hi John:
>   The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor).
>   Success!
>   JRGL.
>   Mexico City.
> 
>   John Gonzalez wrote:
>   While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
> de Hermosillo. "
>   I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands 
for?
>   I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there 
that has
> any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be
> greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> 
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:28:15 -0800
>    From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
> Subject: Re: 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I feel 
that 
> being able to go back  about 455  years was mostly luck and the 
fact that my 
> ancestors stayed in the same town  (Jalostotitlan, Jal.)  for that 
whole 
> period.  From about 1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather brought his 
family to 
> California.
> 
> I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing 
anything 
> at all about findings roots and doing  research.  I was surfing the 
internet 
> one day and just happened to run into the Ranchos web site.  I 
noticed that 
> the area of research being done by the group was mainly in Los 
Altos and 
> sorrounding areas.  I only had one piece of information when I 
started, and 
> that was that my grandfather was from Jalisco and that he had been 
born in 
> 1875.
> 
> I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old,  to see if I 
could get 
> him to tell me something about the family. I found out that the 
family was 
> from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to California around 
1917.  I 
> also have a picture of my grandfather standing next to his truck. I 
noticed 
> the license plate:  California-1928.
> 
> I went to the Census records and found the family living in 
Fullerton, 
> California.  Information about my family  for the period, 1917 to 
the 
> present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions and 
family 
> visits.  Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell me as 
much as 
> they know about our family.
> 
> I started by  searching the LDS files.  I found out that they have 
a 
> mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to visit 
the 
> local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my 
grandfather. 
> Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to follow the 
thread as far 
> back in time as possible.  Some of the records were a tough 
challange to 
> read, not only because of the handwriting, but on some of them, the 
writing 
> from the back side was also visible, reversed,  and mixed with the 
writing 
> on the front side. I guess the ink had "bled"  through the paper .  
Many 
> times I felt like giving it all up.  I am sure I am not the only 
one that 
> has come across this type of problem.
> 
> My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Last June, we went to visit 
her 
> family and spent two weeks in the area.  I had visited Teocaltiche 
quite a 
> few times before, but I never bother to look anything up, until 
this last 
> trip.  My interest had not been stimulated until I joined the 
Ranchos group 
> a few months ago.  We went to Jalostotitlan and found the "Rancho 
Los 
> Portales" where my family originated.  It is just about 3  miles 
out of 
> town.  I found and talked to some of the descendants of other 
original 
> settlers who rememberd their grandfather talking about my 
grandfather.  They 
> pointed out the house where my granfather was born.  I don't have 
the words 
> to describe the thrill and excitement that I felt when I stood 
there, in the 
> same place where my grandfather and great -grandfather lived .  
Needless to 
> say, I was overwhelmed with emotion...
> Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I 
could. 
> I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS records and 
now, I don't 
> regret any minute of it.  It has been a very exciting everytime I 
found a 
> new grandfather,  11 generations so far...
> 
> My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 to 
a lady 
> from Mexico City, from there on down,  all of the descendants were 
married 
> in Jalostotitlan.  It looks like my  search from now on will have 
to be from 
> Mexico City.
> 
> Great items that I have found out so far:
> 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550.
> 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint.  Santo Toribio Romo.
> 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de 
Hermosillo. He 
> was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican independence 
from spain 
> in 1810-1819.  The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was named in his 
honor. 
> He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora.  I said, 
possibly related 
> , because the records are not very clear.  Teocaltiche claims him, 
but so 
> does Jalostotitlan, where he lived with his family.
>  4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo.  There might be a connection 
there to 
> General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo.  He was the last Mexican 
Governor of 
> Northern California.  There is a lot of information about him and 
the 
> founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San Francisco, and the 
Napa, 
> Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any information 
about his 
> father and mother.  So far, I have found some contradicting reports 
in the 
> LDS films...some have him getting married in San Diego, and some in 
> Monterrey In one, they list it as Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico! 
The 
> Montrerrey where he was born is just south of San Francisco!. In 
one film 
> they got him getting married in San Diego and Monterey on the same 
day!
> That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I 
get a 
> little further back in time with my side of the family.
> 
> In conclusion...I can't thank enough:  The Ranchos Group members, 
the LDS 
> for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez Lucero, 
and of 
> course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what it is.
> 
> GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA.
> 
> Did I say I was going to be brief?  sorry if I over extended the 
invitation, 
> Joseph.
> 
> 1gnzlz@v...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joseph Puentes
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:59 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   John Gonzalez wrote:
> 
>     Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the 
Church ( 
> Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my guess is that he was 
either a 
> son or a brother of my  ggggg granfather.  I'll probably find out 
later.  I 
> am related to Santo Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed.  Have 
you ever 
> heard of this Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, 
Jalisco, just 
> outside of Jalos.  They have just placed some of his relics in the 
new 
> (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento!   He is the patron saint of 
the 
> immigrants.
> 
>     By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all the 
way back 
> to about 1550 !!!
> 
>   Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell 
every 
> little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some could 
pick up some 
> points in doing their own genealogy research.
> 
>   . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you 
have hit a 
> wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records you 
discovered 
> this past week leading you back to 1550. After you do that and then 
examine 
> collateral lines related to this research you might could say you 
hit the 
> wall. but even if you did its a wall built 400+ years ago! Cool!
> 
>   joseph
> 
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:43:22 -0800
>    From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
> Subject: Re: Br. Abbreviation.
> 
> Thank you for the information Jose.
> Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your family yet?
> I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from 
Jalostotitlan, 
> Jalisco.
> 1gnzlz@v...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: José Román González López
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:37 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation.
> 
> 
>   Hi John:
>   The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor).
>   Success!
>   JRGL.
>   Mexico City.
> 
>   John Gonzalez wrote:
>   While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
>   de Hermosillo. "
>   I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands 
for?
>   I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there 
that has
>   any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will 
be
>   greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
>   Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> 
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> Message: 13
>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:41:40 -0600
>    From: Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...>
> Subject: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. Abbreviation.
> 
> Is anyone else besides me descended from Cenobio Gonzalez?  His 
parents
> are Prudencio Gonzalez and Severiana Salcedo.  I'm stuck there, 
can't
> find anything about their parents!  Any of you Gonzalezes out there
> connected to them?  Help!  Marge V:)
> 
> On Nov 26, 2005, at 8:43 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> > Thank you for the information Jose.
> > Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your family yet?
> > I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from 
Jalostotitlan,
> > Jalisco.
> > 1gnzlz@v...
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: José Román González López
> >> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:37 PM
> >> Subject: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation.
> >>
> >> Hi John:
> >> The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor).
> >> Success!
> >> JRGL.
> >> Mexico City.
> >>
> >> John Gonzalez wrote:
> >> While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego 
Gonzalez
> >> de Hermosillo. "
> >> I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands 
for?
> >> I know it is a religious title. Is there any member out there 
that
> >> has
> >> any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up? Any help will 
be
> >> greatly appreciated. The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
> >> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
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>    Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:09:39 -0800
>    From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...>
> Subject: Re: Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: Br. 
Abbreviation.
> 
> Hi Margarita:
> My grandmother was from Jerez and her last name was Gonzalez.  I 
have not 
> had a chance to start looking in that area yet.  Her name was 
Apolonia 
> Gonzalez married to Preciliano Cerros.  About 1880...
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>    Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:51:38 -0500
>    From: Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
> Subject: Re: 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
> 
> John Gonzalez wrote:
> 
> > I can give a very brief account of what I've been doing, but I 
feel
> > that being able to go back  about 455  years was mostly luck and 
the
> > fact that my ancestors stayed in the same town  (Jalostotitlan, 
Jal.)
> > for that whole period.  From about 1550 to 1917 , when my 
Grandfather
> > brought his family to California.
> >
> > I got started with the family tree about 5 months ago, not knowing
> > anything at all about findings roots and doing  research.  I was
> > surfing the internet one day and just happened to run into the 
Ranchos
> > web site.  I noticed that the area of research being done by the 
group
> > was mainly in Los Altos and sorrounding areas.  I only had one 
piece
> > of information when I started, and that was that my grandfather 
was
> > from Jalisco and that he had been born in 1875.
> >
> > I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years old,  to see if I 
could
> > get him to tell me something about the family. I found out that 
the
> > family was from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to 
California
> > around 1917.  I also have a picture of my grandfather standing 
next to
> > his truck. I noticed the license plate:  California-1928.
> 
> see what I mean that others could learn. I have this picture of my 
Dad
> next to a vehicle and wanted to learn more. So you're saying that 
the
> DMV has records for old license plates available? What was all the
> information they included and How can I from NC find the 
information? Is
> there an address I send my request to? I guess I can do that 
research on
> the net to come up with something but if you wouldn't mind calling 
an
> asking if there is a certain website or department I could call that
> would be great.
> 
> >
> > I went to the Census records and found the family living in 
Fullerton,
> > California.  Information about my family  for the period, 1917 to 
the
> > present, was collected from living relatives at family reunions 
and
> > family visits.  Now, anytime I see a relative, I bug them to tell 
me
> > as much as they know about our family.
> >
> > I started by  searching the LDS files.  I found out that they 
have a
> > mountain of information on Jalostotitlan. My next step was to 
visit
> > the local LDS Family Research Center to order films to locate my
> > grandfather.  Once I found him, it was just a matter of trying to
> > follow the thread as far back in time as possible.  Some of the
> > records were a tough challange to read, not only because of the
> > handwriting, but on some of them, the writing from the back side 
was
> > also visible, reversed,  and mixed with the writing on the front 
side.
> > I guess the ink had "bled"  through the paper .  Many times I felt
> > like giving it all up.  I am sure I am not the only one that has 
come
> > across this type of problem.
> 
> have a look at this page (http://home.nc.rr.com/puentes/) for some
> before and after examples of how I can clean up these fotos. I'm 
really
> busy these days but if you are really patient like in "months" send 
me
> that "one" record you would love to have restored and I'll try to 
do a
> before and after on it. Sometimes the records are restorable 
sometimes
> they are not I'd have to see them. I went through and did my 
abuelos and
> bis abuelos etc. Don't send me any originals but photocopies and a 
Scan
> in an email would be best. Send them via email to me directly or to:
> 
> Joseph Puentes
> PO Box 12123
> Durham, NC 27709
> 
> >
> > My wife is from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Last June, we went to 
visit her
> > family and spent two weeks in the area.  I had visited Teocaltiche
> > quite a few times before, but I never bother to look anything up,
> > until this last trip.  My interest had not been stimulated until I
> > joined the Ranchos group a few months ago.  We went to 
Jalostotitlan
> > and found the "Rancho Los Portales" where my family originated.  
It is
> > just about 3  miles out of town.  I found and talked to some of 
the
> > descendants of other original settlers who rememberd their 
grandfather
> > talking about my grandfather.  They pointed out the house where my
> > granfather was born.  I don't have the words to describe the 
thrill
> > and excitement that I felt when I stood there, in the same place 
where
> > my grandfather and great -grandfather lived .  Needless to say, I 
was
> > overwhelmed with emotion...
> > Upon our return, I was determined to keep on searching as far as I
> > could.  I've spent a lot of hours searching through the LDS 
records
> > and now, I don't regret any minute of it.  It has been a very
> > exciting everytime I found a new grandfather,  11 generations so 
far...
> >
> > My last grandfather (my first grandfather?) was married in 1570 
to a
> > lady from Mexico City, from there on down,  all of the descendants
> > were married in Jalostotitlan.  It looks like my  search from now 
on
> > will have to be from Mexico City.
> 
> no matter you will probably find better records available from there
> including information possibly found in the AGN.
> 
> >
> > Great items that I have found out so far:
> > 1.-My family has beeen in Jalostotitlan since 1550.
> > 2.-I am third cousin, once removed to a saint.  Santo Toribio 
Romo.
> > 3.-I am also , possibly, related to Jose Maria Gonzalez de 
Hermosillo.
> > He was one of the "Insurgentes" who fought for Mexican 
independence
> > from spain in 1810-1819.  The capital of Sonora, Hermosillo , was
> > named in his honor.  He fought in Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and
> > Sonora.  I said, possibly related , because the records are not 
very
> > clear.  Teocaltiche claims him, but so does Jalostotitlan, where 
he
> > lived with his family.
> >  4.-My wife's last name is Vallejo.  There might be a connection 
there
> > to General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo.  He was the last Mexican
> > Governor of Northern California.  There is a lot of information 
about
> > him and the founding of Sonoma Mission, just North of San 
Francisco,
> > and the Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino wine country. There is hardly any
> > information about his father and mother.  So far, I have found 
some
> > contradicting reports in the LDS films...some have him getting 
married
> > in San Diego, and some in Monterrey In one, they list it as 
Monterrey,
> > Nuevo Leon, Mexico! The Montrerrey where he was born is just 
south of
> > San Francisco!. In one film they got him getting married in San 
Diego
> > and Monterey on the same day!
> > That is an entire different story that I'll try to tackle after I 
get
> > a little further back in time with my side of the family.
> >
> > In conclusion...I can't thank enough:  The Ranchos Group members, 
the
> > LDS for providing such valuable records and service. Irma Gomez
> > Lucero, and of course, Joseph, who makes the Ranchos Group what 
it is.
> >
> > GRACIAS A TODOS POR LA GRAN EXPERIENCIA.
> >
> > Did I say I was going to be brief?  sorry if I over extended the
> > invitation, Joseph.\
> 
> You were brief. this account could easily have been 5 more pages 
and I
> would have gladly welcomed it. You are a great example of what can 
be
> done. You used many resources and have been successful. Not to say 
that
> even those that use all the resources will be as successful, but how
> will we ever know unless we dig in all the corners and have a look, 
just
> like you did. Great job and if you want to expand it a bit and turn 
it
> into audio I would welcome your story in the "oral history" section 
of
> the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Let me know off the list.
> 
> Amazing!
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: I'm sure others in the group have similar stories of how they 
went
> from Zero to what they now know. I would think that most of those
> stories would describe a time frame of years rather than John's 
months
> (amazing!), but still they would be interesting and others could 
learn
> from them. If anyone else would care to tell your story please do. I
> think others will find interest and possibly do like I did and find 
a
> "nugget" that can be used for their own research.
> 
> >
> > 1gnzlz@v... <mailto:1gnzlz@v...>
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Joseph Puentes <mailto:makas@n...>
> >     To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> >     Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:59 PM
> >     Subject: [ranchos] 1550: Suave!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >     John Gonzalez wrote:
> >
> >>     Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of the
> >>     Church ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my guess 
is
> >>     that he was either a son or a brother of my  ggggg 
granfather.
> >>     I'll probably find out later.  I am related to Santo Toribio
> >>     Romo. Third cousin, once removed.  Have you ever heard of 
this
> >>     Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just
> >>     outside of Jalos.  They have just placed some of his relics 
in
> >>     the new (remodeled) Cathedral in Sacramento!   He is the 
patron
> >>     saint of the immigrants.
> >>
> >>     By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry all 
the
> >>     way back to about 1550 !!!
> >
> >     Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to 
tell
> >     every little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe 
some
> >     could pick up some points in doing their own genealogy 
research.
> >
> >     . . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you 
have
> >     hit a wall until you have thoroughly examined all those 
records
> >     you discovered this past week leading you back to 1550. After 
you
> >     do that and then examine collateral lines related to this 
research
> >     you might could say you hit the wall. but even if you did its 
a
> >     wall built 400+ years ago! Cool!
> >
> >     joseph
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