Victor,
Thanks for that link to the article about Spanish explorers and the
Northwest being part of Nueva Galicia. People around here, other than the
Native Americans, think that only their ancestors (Anglo and Scandinavian) were
the first here. There are very few Hispanic place names up
here. There is a San Juan de Fuca Strait up here, and further north in
Alaska is a town called Vadez (they corrected me when I pronounced it our
way---they say "Val-deeez").
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:27
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: New poll for
ranchos
Victor
I believe it would even include Durango and Chihuahua.
And
speaking of Michoacán.... If we were to speak about the
old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include
Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including
Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and
Sinaloa.
http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682
---
In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda
Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> Genealogy
is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher
> wanting to
join this group without being willing to share what their
> research
has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph
> has made
it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share
>
research.
>
> I'm truly learning as I go in the genealogy but
have learned that
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco,
Zacatecas or
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else
before that since
> they followed established roads for migration
after the soldiers
> made them safe to establish new pueblos, towns
and states. Or some
> of us had ancestors who were soldiers and they
were moved from place
> to place. I always said my Gutierrez
and Mendez families was from
> Jalisco but I've discovered they
arrived in Jalisco about 1775 from
> Michoacan and were only in
Michoacan for about 50 years so they had
> to come from someplace
else before that! Even though my focus is
> still in the states we
are grouped together researching the idea of
> someone else who's
found ancestors from the late 1500's and 1600's
> who've migrated to
our area of research opens doors for me and
> you... just my two
cents worth.
> Linda in Everett
>
>
> --- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero"
>
<igomezlucero@c...> wrote:
>
> > Joseph,
>
> I know that I'm biased, but I'd like to keep it
to the states:
> > Jalisco, Aguascalientes & Zacatecas (Nueva
Galicia), but I can
> also just
> > delete the info from the
states I'm not interested in. My
> ancestors
> > seem
to stay in the same place...
> > Irma
> >
> >
________________________________
> >
> > From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On
>
Behalf
> > Of Emilie Garcia
> > Sent: Thursday, November
03, 2005 6:57 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >
Subject: Re: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> >
> >
> > Joseph,
> >
> > I voted to restrict
membership to those researching the three
> states,
> >
simply because the farther out from Jerez-Tepetongo, Zacatecas
> (and
a
> > little from Jalisco and Zacatecas) the group's ancestors are
to be
> > found, the less familiar names I find in the
files.
> >
> > I was wondering if you asked those
people that inquired about
> joining
> > this group that
have ancestors in other areas why they wanted to
> join
> >
our group. Is it the name "ranchos" that is misleading? Is it
> because
> > they can't find a group that pertains to their
areas of interest
> and
> > just like what they see (files,
discussions, resources, podcasts,
> etc.)
> > on
"ranchos"? I myself was thrilled that Arturo posted that file
>
on
> > Tlaltenango even though it is not a town where my current
research
> has
> > led me. However, after printing out
the file and reading it
> carefully,
> > I found my
husband's ancestors, the Cervantes and Garcias listed.
> (Now
>
> how to bridge the gap from those folks to the ones I have found in
> the
> > late 1700s in Jalisco in Encarnacion de Diaz, Real
de Asientos,
> Lagos de
> > Moreno, Teocaltiche, Rincon de
Romos, Jolostotitlan---some of
> these are
> > in
Aguascalientes). I also got a glimpse of life, government, and
>
social
> > structure in the area in the early 1600's. I sure
wish the map
> attached
> > to that report in the file had
survived these 400 years.
> >
> > In that file
about Tlaltenango I see mention of Nueva Galicia.
>
What
> > current states or parts thereof comprised Nueva
Galicia? Would a
> group
> > for descendants of Nueva
Galicia encompass too many current
> states? I
> >
think there was a Nueva Leon, Nueva Espana, Nueva Mexico. Where
> was
> > Durango? You already are running two groups,
and I think I would
> like
> > to see a third group that
follows the migration from our areas
> through
> > San Luis
Potosi to southern Chihuahua State before they went up to
> >
Juarez, El Paso and New Mexico and Arizona and California, since I
>
know
> > that some of our group had ancestors that took that route.
Then I
> am
> > aware that several in the group were born in
or had more recent
> > ancestors such as parents/grandparents that
came directly from our
> area
> > in Mexico to
California.
> >
> > The reason I mention San
Luis Potosi, Durango and southern
> Chihuahua
> > (Hidalgo
del Parral, Ciudad Chihuahua, Delicias, General de Trias,
>
Santa
> > Ysabel, etc) is that my husband's family seemed to have
made stops
> there
> > before continuing on to Juarez and El
Paso then to California.
> >
> > Well, Joseph, you
have made this group so attractive that people
> seem to
> >
want to join just to access all the neat things you have put up
> for
the
> > group. It wants to grow like Topsy!
>
>
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA
---
> >
> > ---- Original Message -----
>
>
> > From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent:
Thursday, November 03, 2005 1:15 AM
> >
Subject: [ranchos] New poll for
ranchos
> >
> >
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll
has been created for the
> >
ranchos group:
> >
> >
From time to time people not from our
geographical area
> express
> > intereste in Ranchos. Here
is my answer:
> >
> >
maybe there is a misunderstanding. we are
focused on the
> states
> > of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes. I don't understand why
> you
> > would be
interested in this group? Now if you "THINK" that you
> might
>
> have ties to this area then I'll subscribe you for a 1 year
>
temporary
> > membership that we'll reconsider renewing next year
depending on
> how
> > much you've discovered about your
Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or
> > Aguascalientes roots or should I say
tried to discover.
> >
> >
is this what you'd like to do?
> >
> >
Do you agree with this? Or should I make special exceptions
>
for
> > those "high quality" researchers that express interest in
the
> group?
> >
>
> I'm torn between being "fair" to all and
the possible
> benefit to
> > "all" from letting a top
researcher into the group.
> >
> > what do you all think?
>
>
> >
So far all of our polls have been invalid for
lack of
> > participation. IF this one is to be valid I'll need 50%
of you to
> weigh
> > in so I can tip the balance. It'd be
best if 52% of you weighed in
> on
> > one side so my vote
wouldn't be the deciding factor.
> >
> > joseph
> >
> >
o Be Fair to all and restrict membership
> >
o Don't restrict we can learn a lot
from others
> > o Do like
you're doing
> > o hijola,
good question holmes!
> >
>
>
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